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John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...

He's rather right about London and many parts of the EU, Europe has been losing its cultural identity for years.

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the natives make up less than 50% of the population, he might have a point. What does it mean to be English? Nothing more than holding a passport?

The English complaining about natives losing power would be a bit rich, wouldn't it?

I'd make mention of the fact they likely think the English can be British, but they also probably imagine that a good Englishman can eat pork and beef!

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Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...

Looks like he is consistent

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From one perspective, the rise of Politically Correct English evinces a kind of Lenin-to-Stalinesque irony. That is, the same ideological principles that informed the original Descriptivist revolution---namely, the rejections of traditional authority (born of Vietnam) and of traditional inequality (born of the civil rights movement)---have now actually produced a far more inflexible Prescriptivism, one largely unencu…

This is an amazing DFW essay and probably one of the only places that notes American Black English as an actual entity and a tricky issue to deal with, especially as an educator.

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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post #11

Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...

He's rather right about London and many parts of the EU, Europe has been losing its cultural identity for years.

Cultural identity is never lost, but cultural identity is always changing.

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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post #11

Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...

He's rather right about London and many parts of the EU, Europe has been losing its cultural identity for years.

Cultural identity? Sounds pretty Orwellian to me, rather like group think.

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Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...

This is a little bit QED.

If 'who said it' and 'what views do they hold' is more important than what they're actually saying, then we've become post-rational, and well on our way back to less open and enlightened culture.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the natives make up less than 50% of the population, he might have a point. What does it mean to be English? Nothing more than holding a passport?

Apart from the gross sentiment that could easily be read from this comment, "natives" do not in fact make up less than 50% of London's population. This whole story is a terrible fit for HN.

The gross sentiment that white people, like every other people, may have their own countries?
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