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Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by fsflover »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #40

>We currently live in a "there is only one correct opinion, all others must be canceled" culture. We really, really aren't. >If speech has consequences that are administered outside the law, then it's not really free. Just take a moment and thing about what you just wrote. It's absolutely nonsense. I can't go in to a job interview and call the panel a bunch of cunts and then expect to be hired. That's a consequence o…

>>We currently live in a "there is only one correct opinion, all others must be canceled" culture.

>We really, really aren't.

Yes, we are. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22299156

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Post by kabouseng »

newacct583 wrote: post #39
wGeF7H8Z59y985y wrote: post #13

> Why should someone interact with something that the author doesn't throw his/her/their name into? We currently live in a "there is only one correct opinion, all others must be canceled" culture. They've already come for anyone who showed even the faintest trace of dissent from the mindlessly woke mob's narrative. Next they'll come for those who have stayed silent. Failure to project virtue signaling will soon be us…

Good grief. What happened to "Democrats are coming for your guns"? At least that one sorta made sense. Can you name three significant ideas whose debate has been suppressed online? Because I'll bet that for each of those I can find a 200+ comment flame war on this very site. > They've already come for anyone who showed even the faintest trace of dissent from the mindlessly woke mob's narrative They did? Who won?

James Damore certainly lost.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by newacct583 »

kabouseng wrote: post #52
newacct583 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good grief. What happened to "Democrats are coming for your guns"? At least that one sorta made sense. Can you name three significant ideas whose debate has been suppressed online? Because I'll bet that for each of those I can find a 200+ comment flame war on this very site. > They've already come for anyone who showed even the faintest trace of dissent from the mindlessly woke mob's narrative They did? Who won?

James Damore certainly lost.

No, he was fired because he very loudly and publicly contradicted his employers' stated policies[1]. His ideas didn't "lose", not in the free speech sense everyone is yelling about. There's not a poster here who doesn't know what he said (we spent A LOT more than 200 comments on that one!).

Nor was he suppressed: he's still speaking, on the same subject! Hell, he's surely making more now as a right wing martyr than he ever was as a low level hacker for Google.

[1] I mean, people get fired for this all the time, like those folks Amazon canned a few months back for union organizing with employer resources. You only care about this one guy because he happens to play for Your Team.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by anonms-coward »

pydry wrote: post #34
Jaruzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We currently live in a "there is only one correct opinion, all others must be canceled" culture. I fully blame twitter (and the medias obsession with it) for this.

This is a problem that probably existed before writing itself, never mind Twitter.

Just like every thing else, this too was amplified by the internet.

If you said something controversial 40 years ago at a grocery shop, shop owner might be mad and refuse to service you, and might even put a bad word for you across the town. In the worst and rarest case, you might have had to leave town.

Now, anyone can record the interaction, put it in front of more people on twitter than the front-page of a big newspaper. And this amplifies things. Not to mention that it remains there forever for the whole wide world.

At this point in many places, you will be more quickly forgiven for taking cash from a shop's register than saying something which is not the prevalent opinion.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by seaghost »

"Anonymity on the internet. People can say whatever they want without attaching their name, face and self-pride. This creates extremely unproductive conversations without consequences. Platforms such as Twitter propel this behavior to new heights. When it was local, you'd lose friends for being unpleasant, you'd lose credibility in your community for being inflammatory." [0]

100% agree with the author.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23656750

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by EForEndeavour »

harias wrote: post #46

Related : How to exit the matrix (old - 2006) https://stalluminati.neocities.org/matrix/

This is an incredible tour de force of rhetoric/writing quality backed up with concrete, technical information. I've only read a few sections, but so much of it sounds like it could have been written this week, right down to the first sentences:

"Privacy and anonymity have been eroded to the point of non-existence in recent years. Our personal, private information is stockpiled and sold to the highest bidder like so much inventory at a warehouse."

The fact that such a trove of knowledge is published anonymously makes the work itself even more mysterious and compelling. This is the kind of WWW experience I want more of. Imagine all the countless other products of mad geniuses lurking out there beyond the meticulously maintained facades of social media and Medium-style blog platforms, styled with base HTML without a script, ad, or tracker in sight.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by tux1968 »

seaghost wrote: post #55

"Anonymity on the internet. People can say whatever they want without attaching their name, face and self-pride. This creates extremely unproductive conversations without consequences. Platforms such as Twitter propel this behavior to new heights. When it was local, you'd lose friends for being unpleasant, you'd lose credibility in your community for being inflammatory." [0] 100% agree with the author. [0] https://ne…

The problem is that for most of us, we find some actual truths unpleasant and inflammatory. It's unfortunate that we're not all adept at accepting opposing ideas with more equanimity. But sometimes hearing difficult or poorly conveyed ideas can be helpful and healthy.

Think of how many racists didn't want to hear about social justice and would have gladly used any means possible to ostracize those challenging the status-quo. Some civil-rights activists lives might have been saved had they been able to work anonymously.

We should all be talking about how we can better manage our emotions in the face of trolls and opposing ideas -- rather than how to make all such discomfort disappear from view.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by dx87 »

newacct583 wrote: post #53
kabouseng wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

James Damore certainly lost.

No, he was fired because he very loudly and publicly contradicted his employers' stated policies[1]. His ideas didn't "lose", not in the free speech sense everyone is yelling about. There's not a poster here who doesn't know what he said (we spent A LOT more than 200 comments on that one!). Nor was he suppressed: he's still speaking, on the same subject! Hell, he's surely making more now as a right wing martyr than h…

What he posted was on an internal message board specifically for employees to discuss controversial subjects. It was only public because another google employee got upset and made it public.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by roenxi »

dandellion wrote: post #50
pydry wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a problem that probably existed before writing itself, never mind Twitter.

It's not new. It was huge when religion was more prevalent, for example, but it was becoming less of a problem as society became more educated and secular. Now there's a new wave riding on top of social media like Twitter, and as it gains more popularity it's becoming more about flaming vs virtue signalling than making actual progress.

> but it was becoming less of a problem as society became more educated and secular

The last generation of control freaks had figured out how to use religion as a medium for their desires. They were caught flat-footed by new internet media like everyone else.

The next generation have now learned how to use twitter. The basic tactics probably haven't changed that much but the details of the message are new. I doubt education was a driving issue as this is more an issue of personality types.

Re: Blog Anonymously

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Post by newacct583 »

dx87 wrote: post #58
newacct583 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he was fired because he very loudly and publicly contradicted his employers' stated policies[1]. His ideas didn't "lose", not in the free speech sense everyone is yelling about. There's not a poster here who doesn't know what he said (we spent A LOT more than 200 comments on that one!). Nor was he suppressed: he's still speaking, on the same subject! Hell, he's surely making more now as a right wing martyr than h…

What he posted was on an internal message board specifically for employees to discuss controversial subjects. It was only public because another google employee got upset and made it public.

I probably should have said "broadly", I guess. But I still don't see how that differs from the union folks, who used an internal messaging system to notify other employees about their rights.

Again, I can't help but think what you people really want is the inalienable right, not to "free speech", but to be Offensive Without Consequence. And again, Damore is a genuine celebrity now, he's a very bad example of the kind of repressive woke hegemony you're invoking.

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