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Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#141

If I recall correctly the Concorde used about 2 tonnes of fuel rolling on the ground alone.. I wonder how this new aircraft fares for fuel consumption? I believe the Concorde is a marvel. You could travel faster than the rotation of the earth in it! However I don’t think we need more environmentally unsustainable travel.

They are also working on a deal to use carbon neutral fuel from a company called Prometheus https://www.prometheusfuels.com/

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#142

If I recall correctly the Concorde used about 2 tonnes of fuel rolling on the ground alone.. I wonder how this new aircraft fares for fuel consumption? I believe the Concorde is a marvel. You could travel faster than the rotation of the earth in it! However I don’t think we need more environmentally unsustainable travel.

Propeller planes used about half as much fuel per mile as early jets. Jets have caught up, but it took half a century to get back to earlier levels of fuel efficiency.

Slowing down in general is an easy way to bring down energy usage, but it's often a hard sell.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#143

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> A jet which has not even been flown once might enter airline service in 5-7 years? Considering that flight testing will begin soon, it doesn't seem that unrealistic. Have you got some actual evidence to the contrary? > The whole article is a PR insert. Yes, clearly, but that doesn't seem related to your first point.

Flight testing of a one third scale prototype will likely begin next year. Given they haven't even started manufacturing the full scale prototype it seems unlikely that they can get into service in 7 years. To give a recent example the A400M took 7 years from the start of the prototype build in 2007 to entering service in 2014.

And besides, we're talking about a supersonic aircraft with no prior platform to build this out of. Given the safety profile that will need to be proven, the schedule can't be taken seriously. It's harder than making a rocket.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#145
post #102

If I recall correctly the Concorde used about 2 tonnes of fuel rolling on the ground alone.. I wonder how this new aircraft fares for fuel consumption? I believe the Concorde is a marvel. You could travel faster than the rotation of the earth in it! However I don’t think we need more environmentally unsustainable travel.

I think the real problem is that the Concorde wasn't fast enough to justify the cost. Whether you can fly JFK-CDG in 8 hours or 4 hours, when you factor in how irritating airports are, parking, security line ups, waiting for baggage, etc, it still takes all day to make the trip. Might as well save several thousand dollars and take a longer flight. I believe they would have to cut the flight time down to about an hour…

Flying with first class tickets will get you into an expedited security line in most airports as well as other perks like lounge access. If you're paying Concorde prices I'd expect that to also come with the same perks as a first class ticket on a slower plane. That means less waiting than the rest of us and the wait you do have is more comfortable.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#147
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You would leave a long trail of broken windows and reports from the moment you went supersonic in their territory, charting your trajectory. Threat detection is a network, not a single point. However, if you're moving fast enough and the target is close enough, your premise is valid. They would not have time to react. Cruise missiles tend to be used for those mission profiles.

Has it perhaps occured to any of you that flying at below radar altitude at supersonic or above speeds, would be dangerous and would have no benefit? If the enemy doesn't know you're there, you don't need to go fast.

Going fast gives them less time to figure out that you're there. That's not always the right call but it is a consideration.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#148
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I think anybody would be hard-pressed to argue that the Tu-144 saw meaningful commercial passenger service. Neither has Boom yet, to be fair, but it at least isn’t provably a failure at this point.

True, but it was a supersonic airliner, 16 pieces were built and it did have 55 passenger-carrying flights (according to Wikipedia), so if you make a list without further qualifiers as in the article ("second ever"), it's a bit strange to gloss over it completely...

It also flew before the Concorde, but we can't have inconvenient facts like that in the middle of a cold war.

From my childhood I was under the impression that it was a rip-off copy like the Buran.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#149

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That's not the issue. It's the third supersonic airliner, not the second; the Soviet Union had the Tu-144.

Which is what I meant - it was designed and built by the state, not a private company, so the careful wording is probably correct. Although come to think of it, Sud Aviation/Aerospatiale was also a state-owned company, and the BAC wasn't private either, so the nitpicking can go on forever.

BAC I believe was private (though merged) firm until it became British Aerospace (later renamed to BAE Systems). Have to check on that though.

I also immediately spotted the oversight of the T-144 which was enough to give up reading the article and just look at the pictures.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

#150

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> You could travel faster than the rotation of the earth in it! You can do that in a conventional jet at latitudes far from the equator. You can walk faster than the earth rotates if you're very close to a pole (very very close).

> (very very close). Eh, within 15 miles or so. 4MPH * 24h = 96 mile circumference circle, 96 miles / 2pi ~= 15 miles.

~24km.
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