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Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Takeout is 15-20 minutes, delivery is 40-60. Call ahead, and the food will be ready by the time you get yourself together, walk out the door, and arrive at the restaurant.

Right, but you can be doing other things during those 40-60 minutes

I usually spend that time distracted with thoughts of where is my delivery, why is my delivery late, I'm so hungry, why did I even order delivery? The walk is a lot more pleasant.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Next week there will be complaints that food delivery services are no longer catering to certain areas. Instead of accepting that it is just not profitable for them, journalists will label it as backslash or an act of punishment. Same thing happened in others states/cities that implemented similar rules. The winners are people living in central areas of the city with lots of restaurants. The losers are the poorer out…

How about you have to charge the fee to the customer. The issue isn't taking 25%. It's taking 25% from the restaurant, which means they don't have a profit margin left. If for example the pizza is $10 at the restaurant, make that $12.50 with delivery and $10 without. That way the consumer can decide themselves if they want to pay the added amount for delivery, or if they'd rather walk/drive. Right now they charge you…

> The issue isn't taking 25%. It's taking 25% from the restaurant, which means they don't have a profit margin left.

I mean, that's not really an issue.

Money is fungible, which means there's no real difference between "charging the customer" and "charging the restaurant" aside from who the customer blames for the higher price.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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When I order delivery from a restaurant, an employee (maybe the owner’s kid) comes and delivers the food directly to my house when it’s done. It‘s generally faster than the app model where you need to wait for the driver to go to the restaurant to pick up the food, then come to your house while possibly stopping at other restaurants and/or houses on the way. I could see how the restaurant delivery would be worse if t…

The restaurant also has a more direct incentive to actually deliver. One Friday night here in Sydney, it was raining like crazy - so we ordered in some food from one of the online groups. 2 hours later and multiple talks with support and they were still telling us stories about how it's nearly there. We eventually called the restaurant directly and the food had been sitting ready for 90 minutes on the counter. The se…

I was picking up sandwiches from a local shop and watched 3 doordash/Uber Eats drivers come right after the other to pick up the same order, but they all cancelled it because the restaurant didn't have multiple deliveries for them to pick up at the same time- ie- they were dropping off multiple houses each run. It made me realize why the food was cold last time we ordered from them! From now on I just go and pick up myself.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Fantastic idea! If a restaurant offers delivery themselves, it's a no brainer to order directly from them. Usually it's cheaper and faster than ordering through an app. Hope this gains traction.

The best part about the app is able to see where the driver is on the map. I hate being in the unknown and not knowing what's going on with my delivery.

I think sometimes those maps are faked. We've seen drivers from apps pick up multiple orders for delivery, but the map doesn't show them stopping at multiple houses, it just slows down the icon of the car.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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You realise free shipping on ebay and amazon is.. anything but free right?

Yes, but neither is the rent for an in-store experience. Having the item of the price subsidize the shipping vs. pay the merchant's rent is not all that different.

You realise merchants have to pay fees on ebay/amazon too right?

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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I hate this line of reasoning and so do many economists. It’s not the “opportunity cost” you should be measuring. It’s the “opportunity cost of the next best alternative.” If I am an hourly worker making $50 and going to get food would be an hour that I wouldn’t be working, then yes it is worth $50 to not spend it going to get food. But if I am choosing between watching Netflix and going to get food. The next best al…

Most simply, some people value their leisure time as much or more than their hourly wage. I find this become more true the more someone is compensated and the more they have to work.

I have no problem with that. Just don’t wrap it in some BS about opportunity cost and how much their time is worth.

There are three concepts that HN commenters don’t understand

- “Monopoly” and anti-trust

- the legal concept of censorship.

- opportunity costs.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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"Although the FTC examines claims of predatory pricing carefully, courts, including the Supreme Court, have been skeptical of such claims." Which means that predatory pricing rarely, if ever, exists. If you don't like the 25% delivery fee, GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO GET YOUR OWN FOOD.

> GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO GET YOUR OWN FOOD That's really something to say to people who are 100% quarantined during a pandemic.

Learn how to cook and cooking all meals at home is both safer and is a cool new skill to have :)

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but yes - that's spot on. It's exactly that kind of attitude I've seen far too often in the culture of well-paid tech workers. Their lives are all about optimization of time resources / time management, and everyone should bow to their needs - if it results in them shaving off some minutes here and there. After all, they're making $300k/year working on important products,…

We all pay people to do things that we could do ourselves that we would rather not do. Every time we eat out, pay a lawn service to cut our grass, have someone else wash our car. Yes. It is dumb though to justify it based on how much you get paid hourly. They don’t understand the real concept of opportunity cost.

> It is dumb though to justify it based on how much you get paid hourly.

imo my time is actually worth many multiples of what my employer pays me for it.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

#529
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So as I understand it Deliveroo and Uber eats charge 25% of the food costs, plus delivery fees on top. Uber eats I know is losing money and Deliveroo are losing a few hundred million per year on revenues of about $500m. Basically cutting the food percentage like this to 10% would imply delivery services are permanently unprofitable? Why have all these restaurants signed up if 25% is so unfair?

The socialist busybodies in Portland want to "do something", so apart from rendering these businesses unprofitable, they are also going to put more of the relatively less skilled workers out of work, while at the same time lower the quality of life for consumers who will now be forced to find less convenient or more expensive ways to eat.

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Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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post #72

So as I understand it Deliveroo and Uber eats charge 25% of the food costs, plus delivery fees on top. Uber eats I know is losing money and Deliveroo are losing a few hundred million per year on revenues of about $500m. Basically cutting the food percentage like this to 10% would imply delivery services are permanently unprofitable? Why have all these restaurants signed up if 25% is so unfair?

The socialist busybodies in Portland want to "do something", so apart from rendering these businesses unprofitable, they are also going to put more of the relatively less skilled workers out of work, while at the same time lower the quality of life for consumers who will now be forced to find less convenient or more expensive ways to eat.

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