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Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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If I recall correctly the Concorde used about 2 tonnes of fuel rolling on the ground alone.. I wonder how this new aircraft fares for fuel consumption? I believe the Concorde is a marvel. You could travel faster than the rotation of the earth in it! However I don’t think we need more environmentally unsustainable travel.

It's hard to say how efficient this plane will be before it's built (or more details made public) but from what I've read sofar the big version, 'Boom Overture', is meant to use turbofan engines. That alone should provide significant fuel savings over the Concorde, which used turbojet engines with afterburners on takeoff. Even so, supersonic flight is less efficient than getting there a bit slower. Unfortunately, air…

Seems to me that everything is nonlinear in the domain of aircraft, particularly when concerned with "efficiency". There is an equation [1] which makes it clear that the power required to maintain flight is a function of air density, drag coefficient, lift coefficient, wing area, and -- velocity cubed. All things being equal (which they never are), double the speed and you need 8 times the power. So in the most simplistic analysis (which is wrong, but instructive), consider that energy is a function of both power and time applied; if you double the speed to fly from say London to NY, would you cut the time to fly to less than 1/8th what it would otherwise be?

To be clear, that's wrong, because of other factors; when you go faster in a given airplane, you can be more efficient at higher altitudes - mindful that wing size is dictated more by landing speeds than just how fast you want to go - if anything, you want smaller wings for weight, cost, and other considerations, but landing speed gets in the way. So, if you took the time to solve that equation for an airplane at, say, 30k feet, and for say 50k feet altitude, would you still get efficiencies over say, one of the modern , slower jumbo jets?

[1] https://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/systems/Lab_Notes/... (edited for line spacing)

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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As a (pre-Covid) extreme frequent flyer, supersonic and other rapid point to point initiatives are thoroughly unenticing. Part of the reason I loved long flights was the ability to put away the laptop and zone out to a book or movie with some wine before landing, dealing with immigration, hotels, Ubers, and days of frenetic, high stress meetings afterward. The prospect of trying to optimize how fast we can jump from…

I don’t especially get the supersonic flight love especially from people who will never pay the $10k or whatever to take a transatlantic supersonic flight. I don’t love long economy flights. But honestly there’s not a lot wrong with modern lie flat business. A few hours of my time is not that big a deal.

You sound like someone who doesn't live that far away from your destination. I live in Australia. Bring the boom boom flights! If I can get to London or New York in less than 20 hours, I will be very happy.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t especially get the supersonic flight love especially from people who will never pay the $10k or whatever to take a transatlantic supersonic flight. I don’t love long economy flights. But honestly there’s not a lot wrong with modern lie flat business. A few hours of my time is not that big a deal.

You sound like someone who doesn't live that far away from your destination. I live in Australia. Bring the boom boom flights! If I can get to London or New York in less than 20 hours, I will be very happy.

Flying trans-Pacific or the equivalent without refueling requires a whole different class of aircraft and seems very unlikely.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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>scaled prototype

It's still a supersonic jet, just not the one you want. What is essentially a privately-built supersonic fighter jet is still impressive, but how much more investment will they need for the full size passenger version?

I trust Boom has smart people working on these things, but... model aviation doesn't scale up[1].

It's interesting they're going with a scaled-down model instead of a full-scale testbed. The article seems to incidate they're wanting to go from the scaled-down model as a PoC, then onto an actual airline that JAL want's to fly. I'd think they'd need a full-sized PoC first...

> “They want to enjoy a first-mover advantage in supersonic and have invested 10 million dollars.”

That's chump change for an airline. Doesn't really signal strong support or anything - more of a curiosity I think. A Boeing 737-800 costs around $100 million, for comparison.

[1] https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/3300/why-havent...

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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In particular the sonic boom. There are ways to reduce that and they are trying to.

It's interesting... you'd think the military would have gone down this path already, and perhaps came up short? The ability to fly supersonic NOE (Nap-of-the-Earth) into enemy territory without leaving a trail of very loud sonic booms seems like it would be something of interest. B1-B Lancer's exist to do exactly this, but are quite noisy. Which either means I'm wrong and the military doesn't care about being quiet,…

the military doesn't need to. they can boom as needed. most training is subsonic and during combat they aren't going to care if someone complains about the boom.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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post #27

As a (pre-Covid) extreme frequent flyer, supersonic and other rapid point to point initiatives are thoroughly unenticing. Part of the reason I loved long flights was the ability to put away the laptop and zone out to a book or movie with some wine before landing, dealing with immigration, hotels, Ubers, and days of frenetic, high stress meetings afterward. The prospect of trying to optimize how fast we can jump from…

I don’t especially get the supersonic flight love especially from people who will never pay the $10k or whatever to take a transatlantic supersonic flight. I don’t love long economy flights. But honestly there’s not a lot wrong with modern lie flat business. A few hours of my time is not that big a deal.

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Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting... you'd think the military would have gone down this path already, and perhaps came up short? The ability to fly supersonic NOE (Nap-of-the-Earth) into enemy territory without leaving a trail of very loud sonic booms seems like it would be something of interest. B1-B Lancer's exist to do exactly this, but are quite noisy. Which either means I'm wrong and the military doesn't care about being quiet,…

the military doesn't need to. they can boom as needed. most training is subsonic and during combat they aren't going to care if someone complains about the boom.

NOE flying is designed to come in fast and low, to avoid radar coverage.

Announcing you're coming, and your heading, by breaking everyone's windows for miles around is quite noticeable.

Re: Boom supersonic jet readies for rollout

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As a (pre-Covid) extreme frequent flyer, supersonic and other rapid point to point initiatives are thoroughly unenticing. Part of the reason I loved long flights was the ability to put away the laptop and zone out to a book or movie with some wine before landing, dealing with immigration, hotels, Ubers, and days of frenetic, high stress meetings afterward. The prospect of trying to optimize how fast we can jump from…

This sounds like you need a career change. People who want to get where they are going will absolutely welcome a faster plane.
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