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Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

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Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

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post #14

Rejection rate seems like it would be more useful than just percentage of overall acceptance.

Rejection rate might give a clue to intent - but even then not really cause it would be hard to tell whether the difference in rejection is justified by other non-racial factors. I wrote the article to show the effect of the policy not the intent of the implementation and for that the metrics I used were appropriate

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

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post #21

For context : Blacks own about 2.6 million businesses or 9.5 percent of all U.S. businesses The 19 million white-owned businesses have 88 percent of the overall sales, and control 86.5 percent of U.S. employment, while black businesses have a mere 1.3 percent of total American sales, and 1.7 percent of the nation’s employees. ___ The article doesn't clarify if by percent they mean number of loan applications approved…

The percentages you mentioned would be relevant if I, the author, was look to show intent to discriminate but I was not. I am just showing the effect of the program and for that the percentages you mentioned are entirely irrelevant.

The sample size (14%) was large enough statistically. Might also be interesting to see if this trend was larger when white owners did not identify themselves.

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#33
post #26

If you're going to put together an inflammatory article the least you could do is dive a little deeper and answer the 'Why' question. Why did black-owned businesses receive less than 2% of PPP Loans?

I wrote the article - I don't think it is inflamatory. It is irrelevant if 0% of business owners are Black. The US Treasury (which controls the IRS, money printing and funds the government) should not abuse its power to favor a certain segment of the population. The government should not bail out private companies.

I feel like the "don't bail out private companies" narrative applies when doing so prevents creative destruction.

When the government straight up bans most companies from doing business, with little warning, and for a prolonged and unpredictable amount of time, I think some level of nuance should be applied.

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#34
post #3

That site is a mobile ad nightmare. Also should the thread title mention that only 14% of PPP application respondents provided info on race?

The sample size (14%) was large enough statistically.

A majority of modern studies about race rely on sampling.

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#35
post #4

According to the US Census Bureau, 9.4% of businesses were black-owned, as of 2012. According to the same report, 78% of businesses were white-owned in 2012. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-209...

As I noted in my other comment, in the linked paper, only 14% of business chose to self-identify race, so it's not clear how biased this data set is.

a majority of modern studies on race rely on sampling. The sample size here (14%) was large enough statistically

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#36
post #4

According to the US Census Bureau, 9.4% of businesses were black-owned, as of 2012. According to the same report, 78% of businesses were white-owned in 2012. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-209...

I, the author, was not seeking to show intent to discrimate. I as only showing the policy effectively did discriminate. In order to show intent I would need the statistics you mentioned but to show the effect the stats you mentioned are entirely irrelvant

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

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post #10
post #4

According to the US Census Bureau, 9.4% of businesses were black-owned, as of 2012. According to the same report, 78% of businesses were white-owned in 2012. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-209...

And 78% of businesses were white-owned as of 2012. (same source)

I, the author, was not claiming intent to discrimnate. I was only showing the effect of the policy so the stat you mentioned is irrelevant

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#38
I am the author of article. looking at difference in ownership of companies more broadly would be useful to establish intent to discriminate but that is NOT what the article claims to show. I simply show what is effectively happening and for that the stats on ownership of eliegible companies by race are irrelevant.

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

#39

What percentage of loans were applied for by black-owned businesses? Comparing it to population seems like a statistic that is intentionally misleading, I would guess that a lot more businesses are owned by white people than by black people (which is its own issue). I believe only around 10% of businesses are even owned by a black person, so it doesn't surprise me to see that they have a smaller piece of the PPP loan…

if the article was claiming to show "intent" to discriminate then it would have been misleading. I wrote the article and I never claimed to show intent. I was just showing what as effectively happening and for that the diffeerences in ownership of eligible companies by race is irrelevant.

Re: Black-Owned Businesses Received Less Than 2% of PPP Loans, White-Owned Got 83%

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To be clear: > The full list of Paycheck Protection Program recipients released by the Small Business Administration on Monday shows that of the 14 percent of businesses that chose to identify race in their loan application, Black-owned businesses received 1.9 percent of loans while White-owned businesses received 83 percent. So the actual percentage of black-owned businesses receiving PPP loans is somewhere from 0.2…

majority of studies are based on sampling
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