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Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by chicagoeads »

save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

Only a few major police departments have done it themselves, Dallas PD being the most notable as one of the first and most comprehensive I've come across.

(Full disclosure, I'm a co-author of the article linked here.)

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by alexilliamson »

save_ferris wrote: post #79
nickff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should everything be federalized? There is no article in the constitution which mandates (or permits) federal supervision of state powers (such as the police power). The fact that voters fail to hold their lower-level governments to account does not mean that all power (and failure) should be centralized.

The Federal government has the power to apply consent decrees to specific police departments when those departments are found to have used force excessively, per the 1994 Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act[0]. This essentially opens police departments up to lawsuits if they exhibit a pattern of bad behavior. In fact, this law explicitly requires DOJ to issue an annual report on "the use of excessive force by law e…

Just wanna to add that Trump's DOJ isn't pursuing consent decree. In fact, the consent decree in Chicago was nearly finalized when Trump took office, and Sessions dropped it.

So they have the power to do it, but they definitely have the power not to do it at all.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by silo2020 »

pjc50 wrote: post #114
andy_ppp wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK it’s illegal for the police to unionise for exactly that reason.

But the police federation and ACPO perform similar political functions. At least we have the IPCC which sometimes works. (We also used to have a paramilitary organization with close ties to a police force that went around murdering dissidents, but we disbanded the Royal Ulster Constabulary. And, surprisingly, the full tanks and snipers in the streets civil war wasn't quite as deadly as 80s Detroit)

Police in the UK are prohibited from taking any form of industrial action - so the Federation does not have the ability to create disruption (to forcibly get their way) in the way Police Unions in North America can (and frequently do).

The Federation represents officers up to Chief Inspector, the Association of Police Superintendents represents more senior officers, but below Chief Officer rank.

ACPO is for Chief Police Officers and is quite different. You should not conflate that as serving the same purpose at the Federation of AsPS.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

ceejayoz wrote: post #103
mtgp1000 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that media are pro-police right now? After nearly universally coming out in support of the current protests? What term would you prefer? One that does not presume innocence?

A bunch of passive-voice examples here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/14/... > The deputy’s gun fired one shot, missing the dog and hitting the child. Or here: https://reason.com/2020/01/28/passive-voice-deployed-in-myst... > The suspect was struck several times by the officer's duty weapon.

Passive-voice is the most appropriate for the vast majority of news stories.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by chicagoeads »

mgleason_3 wrote: post #93
save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

NPR's Planet Money just released a podcast titled: "Police Unions and Civilian deaths". Some of the notable quotes include: * Starting roughly in the late '50s, Rob says, state governments began allowing police officers to collectively bargain - in other words, to join unions. This is where we found a really remarkable and really horrible result....after officers gained access to collective bargaining rights ... ther…

HRDAG estimates that 1 in 3 Americans murdered by a stranger are killed by a police officer. https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/

In Chicago, the police union has attempted to destroy complaint records and uses an arbitration clause to minimize impact of discipline and to keep information about sustained misconduct complaints under wraps, including other police departments considering hiring an officer (https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/il-grievances).

(Full disclosure, I'm a co-author of the OP linked article and the article about CPD grievances.)

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by brian_herman__ »

chicagoeads wrote: post #121
save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

Only a few major police departments have done it themselves, Dallas PD being the most notable as one of the first and most comprehensive I've come across. (Full disclosure, I'm a co-author of the article linked here.)

Thanks for your hard work! Democracy dies in the darkness.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by causalmodels »

some-are-better wrote: post #118
bathtub365 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public sector unions exist because you have two groups of people with opposing needs/desires. The state wants to minimize budget while still providing services, and public workers want to make an appropriate wage for the work they do. The government is organized, so (IMO) there should be an organization on the other side of the table bargaining for the workers.

"The state wants to minimize budget" This is a joke statement right? There is no state in the history of the world that attempts to do this.

Maybe not in the states you’ve lived in, but this was very much the hypothesis behind Sam Brownback’s experiment in Kansas. Beliefs in a strong version of the crowding out effect result in states trying to cut their budgets.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by nfg »

some-are-better wrote: post #118
bathtub365 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public sector unions exist because you have two groups of people with opposing needs/desires. The state wants to minimize budget while still providing services, and public workers want to make an appropriate wage for the work they do. The government is organized, so (IMO) there should be an organization on the other side of the table bargaining for the workers.

"The state wants to minimize budget" This is a joke statement right? There is no state in the history of the world that attempts to do this.

What nonsense, firstly OP clearly is specifically referring to the budget outlay for education, and even if taken more broadly I can assure you throughout the world there are plenty of governments whose spending is constrained by current income and who very much do aim to minimise expenditure for a given outcome (predictably often with the effect of greatly worsening outcomes).

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by ceejayoz »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #125
ceejayoz wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of passive-voice examples here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/14/... > The deputy’s gun fired one shot, missing the dog and hitting the child. Or here: https://reason.com/2020/01/28/passive-voice-deployed-in-myst... > The suspect was struck several times by the officer's duty weapon.

Passive-voice is the most appropriate for the vast majority of news stories.

Perhaps, but how often do you hear tortured, nonsensical phrasing like "the suspect's gun shot the victim" when discussing non-police incidents?

Sometimes the voice switches mid-tweet when the subject does:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1266935666274906113

> Minneapolis: A photographer was shot in the eye.

> Washington, D.C.: Protesters struck a journalist with his own microphone.

> Louisville: A reporter was hit by a pepper ball on live television by an officer who appeared to be aiming at her.

"A photographer was shot" (cop), "A reporter was hit" (cop), but "Protesters struck".

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