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Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by dddeeerrr9999 »

makotech222 wrote: post #2

Everything you know and think about what the cops do and how they do it is built on many, many decades of copaganda you receive from the media. They are a force which exists to terrorize working class people in order to force them to work for minimum wage. They are an investment by the ruling class which allows them to maintain their profits on marginalized workers. They funnel poor people into prison camps where the…

>They funnel poor people into prison camps

Its worse than that. A vast proportion of non-white crime is manufactured by cops and the media to scare whites into bringing back slavery in all but name. Black neighborhoods are actually the safest places in America if racist cops would stop harassing innocent citizens just because they are PoC.

Black Lives Matter!

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by aaomidi »

hpoe wrote: post #10
save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

It is an important concept of federalism to have that separation of authority between State and Federal. Besides given the federal government's track record of transparency do you really think if they had authority over local PDs they'd make all of that data available and open? Update: Just to make clear I don't disagree that more data is good and that we should work to make all crime and police data available, but I…

The federal government acts as an oversight body. They should do their job as an oversight body.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by rmason »

Sadly this isn't the first time this has happened in the history of open data. I remember when Kalamazoo's crimes API got shut down by the chief of police. It still has not returned.

The true test of open data is when people use its information to criticize public officials and it doesn't disappear.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by Latty »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #11
save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

I completely agree with this. Our national debate would be so much better if we had better data. Of course, some people aren't going to be persuaded by data and will probably try to condemn/intimidate/impugn-the-motives-of etc anyone who tries to talk about the data, but it would at least help good-faith people have a more productive debate.

A notable example is the way that gun violence data has been continuously and specifically suppressed by those who oppose gun control in the US (e.g: the Dickey Amendment, which had an extreme chilling effect on the CDC studying gun violence).

Unfortunately, it is common for those with power to see the data as a stick they can be beaten with rather than as a tool to do better.

Of course, an example of the negative potential also comes to mind: recently we got proof of extreme gerrymandering done using racial data. Obviously that isn't to suggest that data shouldn't exist, but more to underline your last point: fundamentally it can only be beneficial if people come to it in good faith.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Latty wrote: post #13
throwaway894345 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as a former working-class person from a long lineage of working class people, this is obviously and overt nonsense. The criminal justice system and the (highly distributed) institution of policing in particular must be improved and reformed, but the idea that they "oppress working class people" in any meaningful way is severely disconnected from reality (well, communist countries notwithstanding). EDIT: Wow,…

You complain about being downvoted, but your entire post is just calling the post "obviously and overt nonsense" and claiming it is a lie, without making any attempt to explain why. Not exactly a helpful post.

There’s nothing to refute; the parent didn’t support their own claim. How can I prove a negative? Anyway, it’s overt ideological propaganda; I don’t owe a substantial response.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by heavyset_go »

save_ferris wrote: post #6

It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings. There's no reason that this data shouldn't be mandated to be aggregated and researched, other than to continue propagating a culture of secrecy. From the FBI's Use-of-Force data collection site[0]: > Is it mandatory for law enforcement agencies to contribute to this data collection? > The FBI has no lega…

> It's crazy to me that in 2020, there isn't comprehensive, mandatory Federal tracking of police-involved shootings.

There is a billion dollar lobby that goes up to bat whenever law enforcement gets bad press, or legislation they don't like gets proposed.

While I'm in favor of unionization, I do not support organizations that represent the strong arm of the state's desire to operate opaquely and without oversight from the people they're policing.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by catalogia »

bachmeier wrote: post #3
makotech222 wrote: post #2

Everything you know and think about what the cops do and how they do it is built on many, many decades of copaganda you receive from the media. They are a force which exists to terrorize working class people in order to force them to work for minimum wage. They are an investment by the ruling class which allows them to maintain their profits on marginalized workers. They funnel poor people into prison camps where the…

You might be reading a little too much into the article. It's possible you're bringing outside views into the discussion.

> It's possible you're bringing outside views into the discussion.

It's literally impossible for anybody to ever not. There's no such thing as a blank slate human who's capable of conversing.

Edit for response: To be clear, I don't think makotech222 argued their point well. But expecting people to enter a conversation without any outside ideas influencing their mindset is patently absurd.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by happytoexplain »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #14
happytoexplain wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you had to go as far as asserting that the parent is overtly lying. It's far from impossible to honestly believe the police "oppress working class people", especially if you have any personal experience to bias your view that way.

Fair enough, I should have been more charitable.

I see you edited to remove the accusation of lying, but you left in "this is obviously and overt nonsense", which is pretty hostile and low value.

Edit: You also added "as opposed to the more charitable interpretation of their error", which is very passive aggressive and elitist.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by JoeSmithson »

Latty wrote: post #13
throwaway894345 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as a former working-class person from a long lineage of working class people, this is obviously and overt nonsense. The criminal justice system and the (highly distributed) institution of policing in particular must be improved and reformed, but the idea that they "oppress working class people" in any meaningful way is severely disconnected from reality (well, communist countries notwithstanding). EDIT: Wow,…

You complain about being downvoted, but your entire post is just calling the post "obviously and overt nonsense" and claiming it is a lie, without making any attempt to explain why. Not exactly a helpful post.

Wikipedia defines the police as "a constituted body of persons empowered by a state, with the aim to enforce the law, to ensure the safety, health and possessions of citizens, and to prevent crime and civil disorder".

If you are claiming that the police are in fact, "a force which exists to terrorize working class people in order to force them to work for minimum wage" then I think the burden of proof is on you.

Re: Chicago Police Department shuts down its arrest API

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Post by pwillia7 »

kazagistar wrote: post #12
bachmeier wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be reading a little too much into the article. It's possible you're bringing outside views into the discussion.

Pretty sure that the points of a comments section is bringing in outside information.

Could have used some cites though.
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