Sweden: higher Covid-19 death rate while failing to collect on economic gains

People have been wearing face coverings since the dawn of time.

Can you tell me the number of deaths attributed to wearing a mask? I can't even google it since all the things that come up now are recommendations to wear a mask.

> in a nutshell stuff that would leave your body when you exhale will now be trapped on the inner side of your mask

If you want to take the 'it is just a flu argument'... I'm more worried about catching covid than I am about the microorganisms coming out of my own breath. They are already in me, in a very concentrated form.

So, this is likely of no practical value and some kind of data artifact. Best guess is spread before testing, and testing rates ramping up as it spreads, logging new cases at rates faster than they are actually being created, and normalizing to actual Rt rates as the testing catches up

Perhaps. My experience was with HCMC and Hanoi.

> When I say “all international flights” stopped, I mean, you can’t just hop on the next flight to Vietnam. Yes, there are still repatriation flights happening and flight for certain purposes, but “normal” air travel has stopped, no?

Actually, there were normal, scheduled flights throughout the lockdown. There are right now, there were last week, and there were every week before that. You can trivially confirm this on a flight-tracking website (one of the ones that goes on the ADS-B data, so you see actual aircraft tracks, rather than just a flight schedule website which may show you flights that didn't actually operate). Visa waiver, visa-on-arrival, e-visa and visa issuance for tourists completely stopped, so in practice a tourist can't board a flight to Vietnam, but a small number of flights have continued running throughout, indicating sufficient demand from people who are able to fly here (Vietnamese citizens, people with residence permits, people who were able to get issued non-tourist visas in their home country, ...)

> So regardless, would you agree that Vietnam is going far beyond a lot of countries in trying to control the spread?

I'd say they're pretty much on par with any of the places that aren't a massive failure. But I also think the question of which country did it better or worse is not very interesting, and mostly a pointless political distraction from useful questions like which control measures have a meaningful effect and which don't.

All gatherings över 50 persons are forbiden and we are to told to not travel IF not needed.

We still uphold laws, so the government bor riksdag can force lockdown om People. But can close Stores and restaurants that doesn't follow rules.

And about Corona deaths, we are probably have more correct reports of deaths than many countries, like UK. Which probably are under reporting.

That based on all deaths reporter. The exccess deaths compared to previous five years are about the same as the reporter Covid-19 deaths. And the över deaths in Sweden are in pair with Denmark, higher then Norway but lower that Finland and Scotland (yes, part of UK).

And Finland has Hard lockdown, so Scotland and Denmark.

Even IF you compare Copenhagen area with Skåne area (South part of Sweden) with about same population, the death rate reporter of Covid-19 is higher in Copenhagen. There are areas in Sweden that have lower death rates then Finland, on pair with Finland.

So No, you are basically ignorant of the death rates of Sweden.

And yes, death rates of Covid-19 in Sweden are still lower than some bad influenza years, like in 2000. Even through the population in Sweden was smaller then, total number of deaths in flue was Word. And letting children go to school was a good Choice, as Corona isn't pushed by children, many are better going to school then forced to be at home. And they are not loosing important time in school with their friends and some normalities.

And the all deaths are now down to under normal years. Most thanks to the changed in behaviour has almost erased the flue in Sweden.

Comparing total deaths data, without different rules to define IF deaths are Covid-19 or not, shows that the lockdown in UK, Denmark and Finland did not do much difference. Not compared to Sweden, with moderate and mostly informed population about how to defeat the spread of the Corona virus.

But, that isn't interesting to wrote about, I guess. As it could show that the lockdown is the only solution, that it also cost life and sufferings.

Links on demands.