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Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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> Over-reacting is not 'by definition the result of an emotional response'. My immune system over-reacts to many external stimuli and causes allergic reactions. These are not emotional. So you're stating things that are easily and demonstrably wrong. This is the epitome of disingenuous. The dictionary definition of overreaction is "a more emotional or forcible response than is justified". You're attempting to use the…

> You're attempting to use the clinical definition of an overreaction Someone can 'overreact when driving' and flip the car on a turn. I regularly over react when playing video games and miss a jump. Companies over react to data and make bad choices. So not just in a 'clinical definition'. I've given you plenty of examples of over reacting being non-emotional. Even your definition, the one you quote, says that over r…

Yes, and none of those apply in this situation. It's an emotional overreaction, per the dictionary definition. You seem to be letting your bias cloud the actual definition of the word and the context of which the word was used in, followed by irrationally dismissing my argument based on said bias.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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> so the reporter is either stupid or disingenuous IMO your comment would be better without the ad-hominems > anyone expressing heterodox opinions is likely to write something that a reporter working for a mainstream outlet considers "a creditable reason for negative coverage" I get that you're angry, but this is unsubstantiated by anything you or the article says.

Calling someone names is not ad-hominems. Saying that someone is wrong because of the aforementioned names would be ad-hominems, but the GP didn't do that.

Making a case against an article by calling the reporter names instead of making a case against the arguments in the article is exactly an ad hominem.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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There are only two rational explanations here: 1) Scott Alexander wanted more attention, and he realized that deleting his site and blaming the NYT for it would garner dramatically more attention, creating opportunities that he wanted. He recognized that he could become a martyr to a certain group, and use that for future gains. 2) Scott Alexander is an absolute moron who did not foresee the Streisand Effect that he…

What's your definition of smart? Left wing?

Not who you're replying to, but pretty much.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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I'm not sure if it means that. I'm just sure that for each purpose, we can find someone that relies on it.

Let's try it this way. For any given website, more likely than not they would want the Internet Archive to archive it. For any given internet user, more likely than not they wouldn't want a website to track them for the purposes of advertising and price discrimination. This tells us what the defaults should be in each case, and let the exceptions change the setting if they want.

Is the Internet Archive archiving websites for the benefit of the internet users or the benefit of the website authors?

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We are all entitled to our beliefs. I merely outlined an argument for why I think how I do. Maybe Scott is a perfectly nice person but his writing is full of associations that say otherwise. I did not know anything about SSC when someone first introduced me to the blog, I did not even know who Scott was or what the blog was about but the more I read the more I noticed certain patterns. I did not start with a specific…

> We are all entitled to our beliefs. I merely outlined an argument for why I think how I do. The point I'm trying to make here is that "It's hard to explain but his intention in much of his writing was coded. He would consistently use certain keywords and phrases to make certain associations and when you follow through the logic it becomes very sinister" does not, in fact, outline an argument. It merely asserts that…

I didn't take very good notes but if you want to point me to the archive and posts you think are good I will be happy to go through them and outline what associations are being made and why.

I stopped reading SSC after I noticed certain patterns and decided I did not want those ideas rattling around in my head. So I gave you a high level impression / outline of what conclusions I reached without providing the actual trail of evidence that lead to it. If you want more precision then you will need to point me to specific posts of his so we can argue about them because even the people defending him are not providing any actual arguments for why his writing was good. They're providing very high level impressions shaped by an echo chamber.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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For all the other reasons that people on this site might hate this article, nevertheless it succeeds in doing the one thing that Scott asked of journalists: that they respect his pseudonym.

Agreed, although I suspect things would have turned out poorly for the author if they had not.

What are a bunch of angry nerds gonna do?

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Let's try it this way. For any given website, more likely than not they would want the Internet Archive to archive it. For any given internet user, more likely than not they wouldn't want a website to track them for the purposes of advertising and price discrimination. This tells us what the defaults should be in each case, and let the exceptions change the setting if they want.

Is the Internet Archive archiving websites for the benefit of the internet users or the benefit of the website authors?

Yes.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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I've been reading the NewYorker for decades. And this article makes me realize 100M Spotify is paying for Joe Rogan podcast is actually a bargain. Old media is done, they do not have a business valuable outside of adds driven model, all they can fight for is the power to develop narrative(s). In other words, they are fighting for status

Can you elaborate on why this article drives you to think that?

As someone with no stake in the issue (aware of LessWrong but not much else) I found it very interesting and well written and it made me want to immerse myself more in the rationalist community which I found appealing. There was definitely an angle to this piece, like any piece, but I found it only slightly unbalanced.

The unbalance was situated at the judgement of SSC's action of deleting the blog which clearly the reporter didn't view favorably.

Further thinking about it, I would not be surprised if the NewYorker writer collaborated with the NYT reporter on the piece. Taking in account when the blog deletion happened I don't see how the reporter could have done his research on the nature of the blog to such detail without the NYT reporter's material.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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I'm not sure if it means that. I'm just sure that for each purpose, we can find someone that relies on it.

Let's try it this way. For any given website, more likely than not they would want the Internet Archive to archive it. For any given internet user, more likely than not they wouldn't want a website to track them for the purposes of advertising and price discrimination. This tells us what the defaults should be in each case, and let the exceptions change the setting if they want.

Why do you believe that a website would want the Internet Archive to archive it? There is clear evidence that some do not want to be archived (the existence of opt out option). What data shows that most do?

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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I said I was lazy, didn't I? :) Feel free to ignore that item. … But actually… that sheet also says that $51 million of their revenue is from digital advertising, down from $55.5 million a year ago. It's 11.5% of their total revenue, down from 12.7%. Not a huge problem but… it's still a business consideration. And let's not forget zest and sensationalism can sell subscriptions and print media too. (Publishing the ful…

Ad revenue is down but subscriptions and total revenue are up -- so doesn't that go counter to the "did it for clicks" narrative? My (admittedly simple) model of the media industry is that clickbait drives ad revenue, quality journalism drives subscriptions.

But then they still get a factor of 8.8 more revenue from digital advertising than digital subscriptions.

edit: Compare digital advertising to digital subscriptions, not overall subscriptions

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