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New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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My guess is that Germany will lose its web hosts as no one will trust to host anything in that country if this passes.

I live in Denmark and buy hosting/email from a Danish company, but their servers are in Germany. I wonder if they will switch to having servers in other countries (or locally, as they used to have). Otherwise, I'll have to find a different provider.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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My guess is that Germany will lose its web hosts as no one will trust to host anything in that country if this passes.

It's primarily about ISPs, not data centers. Your servers are typically secured with SSL.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it translated to "have to", not "should" (which would more properly be "sollten").

Better "will have to" .. "if the law is passed".

I would say it more precisely translates to "are supposed to". Although it is clear from the actual content of the article that it would not really be a choice.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uh, if you actually read the links you posted...from the second article one of the people visited by law enforcement said "In my opinion, gasify everyone" [google translate I must admit, but there were plenty of quotes like this that I think its safe to say this is the intended tone] I don't see how there is any justifiable grounds to talk about killing people with gas in any context, particularly not in this context…

That's the examples they put in press releases. Just for a sanity check on what tiny harmless things are punished by those laws: https://www.vice.com/de/article/8xe7jg/kuchen-tv-volksverhet... A Youtuber made a video about an incidents between students where one made a racist joke. He [the Youtuber] said about that joke "that wasn't a bad joke" and got convicted for Volksverhetzung - one of the harshest crimes we hav…

This has nothing to do with NetzDG. If he would have spewed something of that caliber openly on the street he would've had to expect the same thing (depending on where in Germany of course).

That there is no "free speech" in Germany in respect to hatespeech has been the case pre-internet too. I'm not a big fan of NetzDG, but I also have to say that I expected much worse censorship-wise when it passed and I haven't heard of gross misapplications of it so far. If anything Facebook and Twitter show that you can still post a lot of hatespeech despite its existence.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #11

"Sollen" translates to "should" and not "will" That means there is a element of uncertainty there whether they actually will.

so that roughly translates to the state should have access to my personal property( computer / data ) and should have the right to do so by any means necessary. that sounds much better do remember article 11 and 13 were drafts aswell.

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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post #26
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the examples they put in press releases. Just for a sanity check on what tiny harmless things are punished by those laws: https://www.vice.com/de/article/8xe7jg/kuchen-tv-volksverhet... A Youtuber made a video about an incidents between students where one made a racist joke. He [the Youtuber] said about that joke "that wasn't a bad joke" and got convicted for Volksverhetzung - one of the harshest crimes we hav…

This has nothing to do with NetzDG. If he would have spewed something of that caliber openly on the street he would've had to expect the same thing (depending on where in Germany of course). That there is no "free speech" in Germany in respect to hatespeech has been the case pre-internet too. I'm not a big fan of NetzDG, but I also have to say that I expected much worse censorship-wise when it passed and I haven't he…

You can do many things: You can pass those laws, put people in jail, make up the term "hate speech" and condemn everyone who does that. But you can not say that we have internet (or any other) freedom in Germany. There is some nice english proverb about a cake and eating it too

Re: New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans

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Pretty shocking in a state that has such strict privacy laws. Not sure how the two can come from the same mouth, and even be in public view.

My understanding is that the privacy restrictions are largely the result of half the country having lived under the Statsi, and thus being extremely weary of government eyes. Here it’s out in the open!

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