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Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disingenuous, he knows the blog posts are compiled into an ebook and says as much.

Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?

It's just the publicity stunt, leaving the NYT with the options to (a) drop the story, (b) omit a significant detail, or (c) report that he deleted the blog because they said they were going to doxx him. The story hasn't been published yet, so it's working so far.

Short-term, this has probably net increased the visibility of Alexander's content (slightly less convenient to access, but much more attention), and I assume he expected that. The reporter can't actually believe that Alexander is trying to hide something horrible that he wrote, so the sentence I quoted can only be knowingly dishonest innuendo. That's why I said "ugly".

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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> so the reporter is either stupid or disingenuous IMO your comment would be better without the ad-hominems > anyone expressing heterodox opinions is likely to write something that a reporter working for a mainstream outlet considers "a creditable reason for negative coverage" I get that you're angry, but this is unsubstantiated by anything you or the article says.

> ad-hominems

That's not what an ad hominem is. The word you're looking for is "insult".

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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post #43

NYT can talk a big talk but... if your source wants to remain anonymous, why still expose them? What a sorry excuse for journalism.

Yes and there’re examples of their making exceptions to their “rule” when they want to.

One of the exceptions is Virgil Texas, whose real name is about five entries down when you google him, and Banksy, whose real name is on his wikipedia page.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

#134
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you point me to an era of journalism where it wasn't largely used to condemn certain figures over their words or actions?

Largely used? A scan through my local paper, and frankly most of my experience, is that journalism is largely used to report the news. I'm not going to wade in on the moral debate here, but I count among the new stories in the first few pages today: 3 stories about a major storm that came through last night 1 story about changes to unemployment rules 1 story about a major conference being canceled due to travel restr…

Surely a scan through the NYT is also not largely condemnations of individuals.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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post #88

> For one thing, the S.S.C. code prioritizes semantic precision, but Metz—if Alexander’s account is to be taken at its word—had proposed not to “doxx” Alexander but to de-anonymize him. Oh? From Wikipedia: > Doxing, or doxxing (from "dox", abbreviation of documents), is the Internet-based practice of researching and publicly broadcasting private or identifying information (especially personally identifying informatio…

He's not an anonymous blogger. He's forthcoming with personal information. He's published his full name multiple times (even on his own blog). It's not doxing.

> He's published his full name multiple times (even on his own blog).

I'm almost certain this is untrue. Are you possibly mistaking his pseudonym "Scott Alexander" for this full name? If not, and you understand that Scott and Alexander are his first and middle names, could you please provide a link to an example of where he has published his last name on his blog (or at this point, on the relevant archive.org page)?

Edit: I'm guessing from your comments further down the page that you understand the pseudonym aspect, and have a different conception of "publish" than I do. Do you perhaps mean that he linked or referred to a scientific paper on which he was listed by full name as author? If so, and if true, the strongest I'd probably phrase this is "revealed" rather than "published". If not, and if I'm wrong, and he has directly published his last name on his blog in a manner intended to make it publicly known, I'd like to know so I stop making false claims in the future.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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post #10

A very drawn out low-spark attempt to whitewash the attempt by a NYT reporter to divulge (de-anonymize in their parlance) the person behind the blog by hiding behind speculation ('would the nyt really do that?') and semantics... Journalism continues to go downhill and doesn't have a way to stop the trend.

You've heard of the thin blue line, well this is the thin grey line.

There's no attempt to stop any downhill trend. If they wanted that, they'd write to inform and attempt to give all relevant facts. Instead, they curate what the public is allowed to be showed, happily trumping up juicy anonymous rumors one moment and then failing to report well-documented, relevant facts the next.

They're losing because that information is getting out anyhow and every time it does, they lose a little more of the public trust. Gell-Mann amnesia remains in full effect, but a lot more people are simply unplugging. Legacy media is facing something much worse for them than a "war"--they're facing utter irrelevance as people figure out that they're mostly using unlinked online sources anyhow and we can completely bypass the middlemen.

Constant outrage porn is terribly unhealthy for your heart, anyhow, and if you have any friends, you'll hear about anything big enough to be important anyhow and can look into the original sources (if any).

I don't bother with science reporting at all, for example. I hear about anything worth noticing on HN or similar channels and then I read the actual scientific paper should I care to, rather than some journalist's half-baked summary thereof.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

#138

Where is the outrage for doxxing when it happens to people at way more risk than scott alexander?

In my opinion the best reason people are interested in this situation is Scott Alexander is considered to be NOT someone who will unquestioningly ride an empty wave of reactionary outrage if it's pointed in an advantageous direction:

People are hoping rational thought can be used to change norms when something bad happens.

That's why this is interesting and different than a thousand other sad situations involving people who likely don't have the tools to solve it in that way.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

#139
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is essentially a summary of their opinion.

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> What is the summary? Ugly? If so then I agree, SSC was an ugly place.

And yet, the original context of you asking what was ugly was

> Your points are valid but what is the point of calling the article ugly?

You somehow managed to forget your own comment in the space of a few minutes.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> What is the summary? Ugly? If so then I agree, SSC was an ugly place. And yet, the original context of you asking what was ugly was > Your points are valid but what is the point of calling the article ugly? You somehow managed to forget your own comment in the space of a few minutes.

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