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Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by anonms-coward »

agentdrtran wrote: post #76

Where is the outrage for doxxing when it happens to people at way more risk than scott alexander?

It is there with folks who know about those people and feel connected to them. SSC has a lot of it's audience on HN. Hence you see the outrage here. People can't feel similarly outraged by every doxxing since they have limited time, energy, and emotional bandwidth. If people were forced to worry about issues just on their impact, a large number of kids are starving in Africa, and by that logic people shouldn't worry about anything else till they can do something about that.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

luckylion wrote: post #65
atdrummond wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems the goal lines have been moved to KiwiFarms’ brand of doxxing. As to whose ends that serves, I’ll leave as an exercise to the reader.

Have they? The real name of anyone posting anonymously or under a pseudonym has always been the gold standard of doxxing. It's usually easy to go from full real name to business and private addresses, emails and phone numbers, especially when the person has a web presence, but also for anyone with a few bucks to spare who's happy to pay a data broker.

It's particularly easy for Scott as a psychiatrist. The top Google result for his full name is the address and phone number of the clinic at which he works, plus a bio with portrait (he looks exactly like I thought he would) for prospective patients.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by AzzieElbab »

I've been reading the NewYorker for decades. And this article makes me realize 100M Spotify is paying for Joe Rogan podcast is actually a bargain. Old media is done, they do not have a business valuable outside of adds driven model, all they can fight for is the power to develop narrative(s). In other words, they are fighting for status

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by MattGaiser »

memexy wrote: post #79
tripletao wrote: post #28

What an ugly article. A couple quotes: > It remains possible that Alexander vaporized his blog not because he thought it would force Metz’s hand but because he feared that a Times reporter wouldn’t have to poke around for very long to turn up a creditable reason for negative coverage. The reporter is unaware that the Internet Archive exists? The content is obviously still readily available, so the reporter is either…

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It is essentially a summary of their opinion.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by motohagiography »

The entire piece is an expression of an ideology digesting a perceived threat to itself and producing antibodies in the form of snide, cognitively limiting tropes. As an example of watching the beast in action, this is a truly valuable specimen.

Highly recommend reading it as an example of the form.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by baddox »

NicolasGorden wrote: post #45
tripletao wrote: post #28

What an ugly article. A couple quotes: > It remains possible that Alexander vaporized his blog not because he thought it would force Metz’s hand but because he feared that a Times reporter wouldn’t have to poke around for very long to turn up a creditable reason for negative coverage. The reporter is unaware that the Internet Archive exists? The content is obviously still readily available, so the reporter is either…

It's disingenuous, he knows the blog posts are compiled into an ebook and says as much.

Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by charia »

isoprophlex wrote: post #6

NYT can talk a big talk but... if your source wants to remain anonymous, why still expose them? What a sorry excuse for journalism.

This is a mistake in the understanding of the situation. The NYTimes and all major press outlets anonymize sources. For example for this article, the NYTimes journalist gave people who spoke with him about SSC the choice to remain anonymous.

The article was going to frame Scott as a subject. The real debate is if subjects of articles also deserve full anonymity. The NYTimes' policy is to generally not give subjects a right to anonymity.

The New Yorker article author does bring up another article the NYTimes published about Chapo Trap House where host Virgil Texas was one of the subjects but also given anonymity.

The question is if the decision not to give Scott anonymity as a subject despite others receiving it in recent history is one borne out of maliciousness, callousness, incompetence or a cultural disagreement between NYTimes reporter and an internet blogger.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by mrkurt »

NicolasGorden wrote: post #83
mrkurt wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal information that Scott Alexander _already published_ was going to be republished. He's published all his own personal info repeatedly for years. Deleting a site you've posted on thousands of times is a quality tantrum.

You can consider it an over-reaction. But calling it a tantrum, using that specific word, really highlights your flared emotions. When people resort to value laden language instead of more objective, reasonable language, it says a lot about their mindset. On the actual subject, scale and magnitude are issues that most rational beings consider. His avoiding people knowing his name on scale makes sense. Our society in…

I like emotion, thanks. The church of rationality is not my bag.

Re: Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media

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Post by WillPostForFood »

baddox wrote: post #96
NicolasGorden wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disingenuous, he knows the blog posts are compiled into an ebook and says as much.

Doesn't that also mean the very act of "deleting" the blog is disingenuous? If deleting the blog doesn't meaningfully impede accessing the blog articles, then what's the point, other than drawing attention to the situation?

It obviously does meaningfully impede access. Delisted from google, all existing links broken. Viewablity of articles will be down 99.99%.
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