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U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

wwright wrote: post #35
newacct583 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we are going to truly treat this 1833 treaty as legally valid If? SCOTUS literally just said it's valid. Today. As far as what's going to happen, presumably the state legislature, congress, and the Tribal government(s) are going to come to some kind of deal. I'm no expert. I'm just reacting to the vaguely racist paranoia in the headline that has people freaking out that they'll suddenly be Ruled by Indians.

I said _treat_ it as valid. There are many valid laws we don't treat as valid (such as international ones). It was a genuine question though; I was wondering if someone more knowledgeable than I knew how it would be handled :)

>There are many valid laws we don't treat as valid

Including several on the bill of rights.

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Post by whymauri »

mixologic wrote: post #79

As an aside.. whats up with that file photo Reuters is using? Is that somebody naked in front of the supreme court wearing just a fanny pack?

I zoomed in and think it's a brown top with brown shorts. You can see the armhole.

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Post by charlesu »

systemvoltage wrote: post #46

Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

Who should do the assimilating? Why?

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Post by tyre »

blondie9x wrote: post #13

Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrocities of slavery. We need to equally reflect on and remember the atrocities against Native Americans.

This is what Oklahoma was initially meant to be. There were even talks of having two Native American states in the united states, the other being Sequoia I think. Then the US renegged on those promises, land was given to railroad companies, and flooded colonists.

In many ways we're seeing the same thing with Tibet and China. It's horrific.

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Post by sonofgod »

abeppu wrote: post #57

> The ruling voided McGirt’s sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court. Not changed by this ruling, but it strikes me as really odd that you can sentence someone to prison for that long, or that you would bother. Why not just say life in prison? If your state is 103 years old, saying anything about the next 1000 years seems ... lacking in credibility.

So let's say fraud has a standard tarriff of ten years. And we agree that committing two frauds is twice as bad, so we add them together. Still makes sense. And someone defrauded a LOT of people. Say sixteen THOUSAND.

That's how you sentence someone for 141,078 years... (They served eight.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_prison_sentenc...

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Post by evgen »

abeppu wrote: post #57

> The ruling voided McGirt’s sentence of 1,000 years in prison but he could face a new trial in federal court rather than state court. Not changed by this ruling, but it strikes me as really odd that you can sentence someone to prison for that long, or that you would bother. Why not just say life in prison? If your state is 103 years old, saying anything about the next 1000 years seems ... lacking in credibility.

It is perverse, but there is a method to the madness. Some sentencing mitigations or parole decisions are based upon length of sentence. Someone who is given a 20 year sentence may be eligible for parole when, for example, 1/4 of the sentence has been served. By setting the sentence to a ridiculous length it is effectively denying any possibility for parole without directly stating that the sentence is to served without any chance for parole.

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Post by titanomachy »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #64
blondie9x wrote: post #13

Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrocities of slavery. We need to equally reflect on and remember the atrocities against Native Americans.

I am not from US, so i am not very clued in to this, but a State or mini-state would sound a lot better than a 'reservation'

In Canada we use the term "nation".

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Post by ceejayoz »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #78
ceejayoz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can someone explain why America has reservations? Because we signed treaties with the tribes, which are now semi-sovereign entities as a result.

That's not 'why', that's 'how'. I'm not American, so don't know the topic in details. I have found this online: " The main goals of Indian reservations were to bring Native Americans under U.S. government control, minimize conflict between Indians and settlers and encourage Native Americans to take on the ways of the white man. " [1] [1] https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/india...

It's both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Dancing_Rabbit_Creek

> Lands (in what is now Oklahoma) west of the Mississippi River to be conveyed to the Choctaw Nation. Lands east of the Mississippi River to be ceded and removal to begin in 1831 and end in 1833.

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Post by vkou »

systemvoltage wrote: post #46

Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

> Why not everyone assimilate?

You raise a great question - why don't mostly-European settlers assimilate into American culture?

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