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U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

dmix wrote: post #54
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was a bit more than "accused". He was convicted. And, they didn't interrupt the trial. He's been in prison for more than two decades for this crime.

> McGirt, 71, has served more than two decades in prison after being convicted in 1997 in Wagoner County in eastern Oklahoma of rape, lewd molestation and forcible sodomy of a 4-year-old girl. McGirt, who did not contest his guilt in the case before the justices, had appealed a 2019 ruling by a state appeals court in favor of Oklahoma. The crime part seems largely insignificant to this ruling. It was mostly just a pr…

I didn't read this article as saying that he had admitted guilt. I read it as saying that for purposes of this case, he didn't contest his guilt. That is, the basis of this case is not a claim that he is innocent; it's a claim that the wrong court convicted him.

If I missed something, feel free to point it out...

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Post by knolax »

systemvoltage wrote: post #46

Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

> Genghis Khan

Funny you mention that because the majority of ethnic Mongols live in the jurisdictional equivalent of a reservation.

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Post by ceejayoz »

refurb wrote: post #67
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And because, after our shameful history of ignoring those treaties whenever we felt like it, it might not hurt to actually keep one for once.

Keep one? Aren't there hundreds of reservations across the US?

Keep a treaty. We've a long history of breaking them when we feel like it.

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treeman79 wrote: post #9
newacct583 wrote: post #4

This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…

No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!

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Post by undersuit »

blondie9x wrote: post #13

Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrocities of slavery. We need to equally reflect on and remember the atrocities against Native Americans.

Which Native Americans should we give the state to, the ones that lived there originally or one of the tribes we force relocated to the area?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

ceejayoz wrote: post #20
fermienrico wrote: post #16

Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

> Can someone explain why America has reservations? Because we signed treaties with the tribes, which are now semi-sovereign entities as a result.

That's not 'why', that's 'how'.

I'm not American, so don't know the topic in details. I have found this online:

"The main goals of Indian reservations were to bring Native Americans under U.S. government control, minimize conflict between Indians and settlers and encourage Native Americans to take on the ways of the white man." [1]

[1] https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/india...

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