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U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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And how do you even define a tribe citizen? Is there like an ID card? Is it a DNA test? Does Elizabeth Warren qualify?

Every tribe handles this themselves, it's based on ancestry. They define their own cutoff points, such as 1/16 etc.

Not all tribes calculate blood quantum at all.

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Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

We tried the "assimilation" thing for awhile. It ended up as a system of child abuse, kidnapping, forced sterilizations, and theft. There's a pretty decent case to be made for it also having been cultural genocide.

I'd personally prefer that we not go back to that.

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Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

Can someone explain why America has reservations? As I understand it, it's not "special" status and more a result of the laws that were put into place when the land was "obtained" from Native Americans. Renegading on those treaties would be no different than the government repossessing your generations-owned land because "you shouldn't get special treatment because your great grandfather bought this land for $3".

The government does 'reposess' the land to some extent through property taxes.

Also, the verb you wanted is "reneging" from "renege" - to go back on a promise, as in when playing cards to go back on a promise to follow suit.

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Honestly after all the Native Americans went through, give them the whole state at least. People in the United States speak and reflect often about the atrocities of slavery. We need to equally reflect on and remember the atrocities against Native Americans.

I am not from US, so i am not very clued in to this, but a State or mini-state would sound a lot better than a 'reservation'

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This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…

No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!

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Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

> Why not everyone assimilate?

Yes, exactly, why not the USians assimilate into the many Native nations they occupy? They've had literal centuries...

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> Can someone explain why America has reservations? Because we signed treaties with the tribes, which are now semi-sovereign entities as a result.

And because, after our shameful history of ignoring those treaties whenever we felt like it, it might not hurt to actually keep one for once.

Keep one? Aren't there hundreds of reservations across the US?

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Does anyone know the status of private land, not belonging to tribe members, now considered within the reservation? Can it be confiscated by the tribe?

Here is Washington state, sometimes tribal land is leased to non-natives for 99 years. Will definitely be interesting to see what happens, but it is quite possible that "property tax" could be moved over into a land leasing fee.

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Why not everyone assimilate? It is no longer "United States" when we split states off for special treatment for minorities. These minorities will further regress and never get out of the poor living conditions. Reservations are one of the most impoverished regions in the US. We should then probably go back to Genghis Khan times and challenge the whole Eurasia, Persian inlands and a bunch of other areas around the wor…

Forced assimilation is cultural genocide. The US tried it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_sch...

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Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

It's contracts between nations (the US federal government and the the tribes). Native American tribes are numerous (the federal government recognized 550 distinct tribes when I last checked) and have agreements with the government that were to guarantee their sovereignty.
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