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U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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The decision has no bearing on land ownership or governance, but will force Oklahoma to tie up its historical loose ends. EDIT: I originally incorrectly wrote "All they did was interrupt the trial of an accused rapist." in addition to the above sentence.

He was a bit more than "accused". He was convicted.

And, they didn't interrupt the trial. He's been in prison for more than two decades for this crime.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

I think like most things, reservations weren't a solution to all things all native peoples for all time. It was more of a point in time act for specific reasons.

In this case the US was engaged in very specific legal deals with these groups. Reservations grew out of that process.

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This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…

No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!

Yeah, it doesn't work that way, and no, most US citizens don't have any appreciable native ancestry, no matter what family mythology says.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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I had the pleasure of driving through and visiting Oklahoma a decade or so ago. Some people don't like the rural states, but it felt so serene out there. We stopped at a shaved ice place off of some random exit and just sat there on the hood staring out at the plains. There's not much out there but it felt so peaceful. It felt like home.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…

No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!

You "sign up" with the sovereign tribal governments, just like any other nation. EU citizenship is worth a lot to many people, but they've still managed to find a system that doesn't include anyone with "some European blood".

Every tribe can determine their own criteria, and while some do consider how much "Indian blood" you have, that seems to be mostly because the US government heavily promoted the idea 100 years ago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/10/20/18426433/warren-ance...

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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This is a terrible article, it just cites the facts of the decision, teases the implication (OMG half of OK!) and explains nothing. Here's a review article about the same case from a while back which does a better job: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-... The tl;dr is that, yes, indeed, half of Oklahoma is part of land reserved for the Creek in a 1833 treaty. And almost two centuries of sub…

No income tax? Never mind injuns coming. Where do people sign up to become one? Huge percentage of population has some Indian blood. The exact definition can be worth a lot to many people. Let the drama begin!

"Indians" in the sense you're using are not an actual thing. To my understanding, if you want to be a member of the Muscogee Nation, then you need to show legal proof of a bloodline going back to at least one specific person on the Dawes Roll's list of Creek members.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

> Can someone explain why America has reservations? Because we signed treaties with the tribes, which are now semi-sovereign entities as a result.

And because, after our shameful history of ignoring those treaties whenever we felt like it, it might not hurt to actually keep one for once.

Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Can someone explain why America has reservations? From what I know, Native Indians had this land almost 2+ centuries ago. Why have a special, looks like an autonomous, region and special treatment to people that are a few generations down from when this happened? How far back into the history should we go?

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Re: U.S. Supreme Court deems half of Oklahoma a Native American reservation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting. Is this the first time a major city has fallen within a reservation?

And, either way, what are the implications to non-tribe citizens and non-tribe governments?

The Atlantic wrote about this in 2018, it seems like the framework of inter-agency cooporation won't be much of a change for most non-Natives: behttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/murphy-cas...
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