"Sollen" translates to "should" and not "will"
That means there is a element of uncertainty there whether they actually will.
New German law would force ISPs to allow secret service to install trojans
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#12FYI: pervasive mass internet surveillance by the US military with the active cooperation of large US telcos AT&T, Verizon, and others already enables this capability in the US and much of the rest of the world.
The surveillance allows them to read the TCP sequence numbers or DNS query IDs, and then spoof valid response packets.
It’s called QUANTUMINSERT.
https://blog.fox-it.com/2015/04/20/deep-dive-into-quantum-in...
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#13"Sollen" translates to "should" and not "will" That means there is a element of uncertainty there whether they actually will.
Actually it translated to "have to", not "should" (which would more properly be "sollten").
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#14The German surveillance state is very capable and often understated. They even “ran” Crypto AG with the NSA for decades and even profited from it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
TIL. Didn’t know Germany was involved in that.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't be surprised if they force the installation of a certificate root they can use to serve malicious updates (for German OS X users, at least). That's a tactic used by agencies in other countries. Apple et al could probably mitigate this with certificate pinning in their updaters but I'm not sure they can get away with that without running into trouble with other countries that expect to be able to MITM updat…
I would be surprised. IIRC those "other countries" are countries like Iran that have also just shut off access to the internet for the country. I still think we have a few more years of internet freedom in Germany before that happens.
Internet freedom in Germany?
https://stadt-nachrichten.de/fahndungen/hasskommentare-im-in...
https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/hass-kommentare-...
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/gesetz-gege...
Boy China is childs play compared to us.
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#17My guess is that Germany will lose its web hosts as no one will trust to host anything in that country if this passes.
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#18Not exactly as easy as they make it sound, thanks to encryption and especially signing. Of course there's probably still enough software not using it and/or users not paying attention.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would be surprised. IIRC those "other countries" are countries like Iran that have also just shut off access to the internet for the country. I still think we have a few more years of internet freedom in Germany before that happens.
Internet freedom in Germany? https://stadt-nachrichten.de/fahndungen/hasskommentare-im-in... https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/hass-kommentare-... https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/gesetz-gege... Boy China is childs play compared to us.
uh, if you actually read the links you posted...from the second article one of the people visited by law enforcement said "In my opinion, gasify everyone" [google translate I must admit, but there were plenty of quotes like this that I think its safe to say this is the intended tone]
I don't see how there is any justifiable grounds to talk about killing people with gas in any context, particularly not in this context.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Internet freedom in Germany? https://stadt-nachrichten.de/fahndungen/hasskommentare-im-in... https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/hass-kommentare-... https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/gesetz-gege... Boy China is childs play compared to us.
uh, if you actually read the links you posted...from the second article one of the people visited by law enforcement said "In my opinion, gasify everyone" [google translate I must admit, but there were plenty of quotes like this that I think its safe to say this is the intended tone] I don't see how there is any justifiable grounds to talk about killing people with gas in any context, particularly not in this context…
That's the examples they put in press releases. Just for a sanity check on what tiny harmless things are punished by those laws:
https://www.vice.com/de/article/8xe7jg/kuchen-tv-volksverhet...
A Youtuber made a video about an incidents between students where one made a racist joke. He [the Youtuber] said about that joke "that wasn't a bad joke" and got convicted for Volksverhetzung - one of the harshest crimes we have. If you get convicted for that as a non-VIP, your life is effectively over in Germany. That's socially worse than a rape conviction.
And back to the point: whether you consider it right to put people in jail for saying mean things or not - it is absolutely not internet freedom. Not by any stretch of the imagination.