Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
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Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#2It seems a bit that the big players also realize that making money off their technology investments would be nice.
Here we have the interest of IBM/Redhat that as a services company benefits from an as open as possible model, whereas Google as a product company notices that their hugely successful k8s play does not turn into business for their cloud product as intended.
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#3Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#4Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.
"Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks"
https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u...
And their FAQ: https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#5Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.
"Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... And their FAQ: https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons
It doesn’t seem like this is a huge deal then, unless there’s something happening away from the public view... IBM would have just preferred that another organization had been used.
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#6It seems a bit that the big players also realize that making money off their technology investments would be nice. Here we have the interest of IBM/Redhat that as a services company benefits from an as open as possible model, whereas Google as a product company notices that their hugely successful k8s play does not turn into business for their cloud product as intended.
Could you please elaborate on what this has to do with this dispute about how to open source the trademark?
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#7Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.
"Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks" https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/08/google-launches-the-open-u... And their FAQ: https://openusage.org/faq/#what-is-the-open-usage-commons
> "Google launches the Open Usage Commons, a new organization for managing open-source trademarks"
We know that. The confusing part is figuring out what does "managing open-source trademarks" have to do with other companies and developers...
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#8For the uninformed, IBM is mostly in the business of selling expensive old-school consultancy solutions by marketing snake oil and packaging open source in proprietary label. Need evidence? Watch this cringeworthy video, for example: https://youtu.be/iNVM8vGCZjQ
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#9Do I understand correctly that this is a way to make sure the trademarks for the projects can be used in similar open fashion as the code itself?
My understanding: Typically the trademarks are not covered by the open source license. If the software is licensed under Apache license, I can use the software to power my cloud business, but I might not be entitled to use the project's trademark in my marketing.
Re: Why IBM doesn’t agree with Google’s Open Usage Commons for the Istio project
#10Can someone explain why this matters? I still don’t get it after reading the blog post or fh973’s comment.
As far as I understand:
IBM collaborated with Google on Istio. Google just handed the control over the Istio trademark to its Open Usage Commons group without notifying the Istio community. IBM is understandably unhappy with that.