XMPP works – 1 July 2020
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XMPP works – 1 July 2020
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Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#2What was it about XMPP that made people move to facebook, slack, hangout or other closed systems?
In 2011, at my job everyone used their own favorite account to chat with each other. I'd logged on Empathy with my yahoo mail. My coworkers were on gmail, aol, yahoo, hotmail, facebook, and some I can't even remember. Chatting wasn't a problem. How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should use slack?
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#3What was it about XMPP that made people move to facebook, slack, hangout or other closed systems? In 2011, at my job everyone used their own favorite account to chat with each other. I'd logged on Empathy with my yahoo mail. My coworkers were on gmail, aol, yahoo, hotmail, facebook, and some I can't even remember. Chatting wasn't a problem. How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should u…
facebook and google at least simply isolated their users from the rest of xmpp at some point. oops, if only we had been warned.
I will never forget how a few years back, a friend (and a techie at that, albeit more scientific) explained to me their amazing idea of a messenger that you could use between different chat providers, and messages would just go from one to the other. "Imagine you could send a message on facebook and I would read it on google!" I could see something die in their eyes when I explained that not only was there a solution to this, but also, facebook and google had both already decided to kill that solution.
Oh well... don't buy into walled gardens kids.
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#4What was it about XMPP that made people move to facebook, slack, hangout or other closed systems? In 2011, at my job everyone used their own favorite account to chat with each other. I'd logged on Empathy with my yahoo mail. My coworkers were on gmail, aol, yahoo, hotmail, facebook, and some I can't even remember. Chatting wasn't a problem. How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should u…
"How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should use slack?"
Correction. Everyone went to Facebook. Because Facebook was convenient. Now we are all heading to slack (& discord) because XMPP was no longer convenient & the right-wingnuts are the top 10 shares every single day every day on Faceboook so we no longer wanna hang out on it.
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#5What was it about XMPP that made people move to facebook, slack, hangout or other closed systems? In 2011, at my job everyone used their own favorite account to chat with each other. I'd logged on Empathy with my yahoo mail. My coworkers were on gmail, aol, yahoo, hotmail, facebook, and some I can't even remember. Chatting wasn't a problem. How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should u…
XMPP was only the protocol. Google and others provided federation with it then took it away later. This decimated the social network size. When the vast majority connects to others primarily via Google Talk and its descendants or Facebook messenger, XMPP, as a protocol, didn’t stand a chance.
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#6XMPP doesn't "work", but on the other hand, the alternatives probably worse:
1. Don't run your own server? A co-worker once operated a fairly popular "public" XMPP server with a decent number of typically active users, a couple hundred. Some eastern European "darkweb" drug sellers had an account on the server, so their competitors thought it worthwhile to threaten the XMPP operator with very directed violence. If you don't host your own, who is running your XMPP server? What will they do when the government/yourThreatActor threatens them?
2. If you do (or don't!) run your own server, how do the end users find a halfway decent application on their fancy iPhone 18 Pro++ that supports push notifications? Their Windows 10 desktop? Ubuntu Linux?
3. If you run your own server, what do you do in the unlikely event of spam?
4. Crypto? OTR sucks for multi-device, OMEMO isn't extensively supported.
XMPP obviously doesn't work, but I can't suggest anything that's better.
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#7What was it about XMPP that made people move to facebook, slack, hangout or other closed systems? In 2011, at my job everyone used their own favorite account to chat with each other. I'd logged on Empathy with my yahoo mail. My coworkers were on gmail, aol, yahoo, hotmail, facebook, and some I can't even remember. Chatting wasn't a problem. How did it go from being a convenient thing for everyone to everyone should u…
Bridges were shut down to push proprietary chat spinoffs of social media websites. Ex. Facebook had an XMPP bridge for a couple years but shut it down for this reason.
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#8XMPP doesn't "work", but on the other hand, the alternatives probably worse: 1. Don't run your own server? A co-worker once operated a fairly popular "public" XMPP server with a decent number of typically active users, a couple hundred. Some eastern European "darkweb" drug sellers had an account on the server, so their competitors thought it worthwhile to threaten the XMPP operator with very directed violence. If you…
I count 20 OMEMO supporting clients:
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#9XMPP doesn't "work", but on the other hand, the alternatives probably worse: 1. Don't run your own server? A co-worker once operated a fairly popular "public" XMPP server with a decent number of typically active users, a couple hundred. Some eastern European "darkweb" drug sellers had an account on the server, so their competitors thought it worthwhile to threaten the XMPP operator with very directed violence. If you…
OMEMO just works for me. I use OMEMO XMPP SMS with JMP.chat
Re: XMPP works – 1 July 2020
#10One of the first OpenDomain!