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Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by TechBro8615 »

belltaco wrote: post #50
uncoder0 wrote: post #24

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You are correct. Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. After the recent ban wave of subs several others moved to the '.win network'.

>Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. Not exactly true. They banned the top mods for not removing problematic content or posting some of their own. This led to there not being enough manpower to manage an active sub. So the remaining mods were instructed to hire new mods based on certain standards, like having a c…

> What subs are those and do they live on the same domain?

Here's a list of them:

https://communities.win/p/GIEblc8H/list-of-win-communities/

- TheDonald.win

- OmegaCanada.win

- GavinMcInnes.win

- ConsumeProduct.win

- KotakuInAction.win

- KotakuInAction2.win

- WeekendGunnit.win

(no allegiance, just an observer)

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by user982 »

Alupis wrote: post #46
chrisdirkis wrote: post #39

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To quote the top answer on that questions: > To claim like the campaign that this would be the symbol, or even a really common one – in the US – seems to not have been true. This changed obviously in a reverse-Streisand now.

That same answer goes on to show all of the imagery dating back to WWII using the red triangle. Plus images of modern Antifa paraphernalia including T-Shirts, Stickers and more that include that symbol. Seems, to me, the upside down red triangle is definitely a symbol of Antifa, although perhaps not the most commonly used symbol in the US. Regardless, the claim that the Trump campaign picked an obvious Nazi symbol ju…

> Regardless, the claim that the Trump campaign picked an obvious Nazi symbol just to make Antifa look bad seems very clearly garbage.

That is not anyone's claim. Explain why you think that the Trump campaign's adoption of the symbol the Nazis used to brand and kill political prisoners somehow makes antifa look bad?

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by reaperducer »

baddox wrote: post #55
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

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No, you had letters and other primary source material. The garbage on Twitter is literally garbage and propaganda. The bleating of various mouthpieces are only useful in coordination with events and real documents.

Don't you suppose that letters also contained a lot of garbage and propaganda? I don't think we are generating less primary source material now that will be usable by future historians.

Not really. People were more carful and precise with what they wrote back then because writing takes effort, and the expense of paper, envelopes, ink, pens, and stamps wasn't insignificant.

Today, people just throw a bunch of words on the internet without thought or care, and if people react to it, Yay! We're an influencer!

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by reaperducer »

brokencode wrote: post #22
noja wrote: post #3

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You could say the same about the slave trader statues or the army bases named after certain people.

I see this opinion all the time about taking down statues, but how does that make any sense? Is there a movement that is burning books and taking down Wikipedia pages to go along with the statues? Because when I want to learn about history, I don’t check my local city hall.. Statues are often used to glorify or celebrate famous historical figures. I think Confederate statues would work well in a museum with context e…

when I want to learn about history, I don’t check my local city hall

If you want to learn about local history, you absolutely go to city hall, or wherever you local clerks office is.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by tshaddox »

reaperducer wrote: post #63
baddox wrote: post #55

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Don't you suppose that letters also contained a lot of garbage and propaganda? I don't think we are generating less primary source material now that will be usable by future historians.

Not really. People were more carful and precise with what they wrote back then because writing takes effort, and the expense of paper, envelopes, ink, pens, and stamps wasn't insignificant. Today, people just throw a bunch of words on the internet without thought or care, and if people react to it, Yay! We're an influencer!

I just don't really buy it. I imagine those people back then were also complaining about how the kids these days don't care enough to communicate properly.

https://xkcd.com/1227/

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by Fjolsvith »

user982 wrote: post #62
Alupis wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That same answer goes on to show all of the imagery dating back to WWII using the red triangle. Plus images of modern Antifa paraphernalia including T-Shirts, Stickers and more that include that symbol. Seems, to me, the upside down red triangle is definitely a symbol of Antifa, although perhaps not the most commonly used symbol in the US. Regardless, the claim that the Trump campaign picked an obvious Nazi symbol ju…

> Regardless, the claim that the Trump campaign picked an obvious Nazi symbol just to make Antifa look bad seems very clearly garbage. That is not anyone's claim. Explain why you think that the Trump campaign's adoption of the symbol the Nazis used to brand and kill political prisoners somehow makes antifa look bad?

It wasn't about making antifa look bad. It was about showing people the double-standard that social media has. Its about waking people up.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by olivermarks »

belltaco wrote: post #60
shripadk wrote: post #54

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> If they're going to put advertising up against it, they should be held to the same annoying process and responsibility that broadcast media is. But then don't you think that is selective application of law? Why should they be held to the same annoying process and responsibility only for advertising? Why not for the entire platform or publisher or whatever you want to call it. Let them be held liable for every post…

Section 230 was explicitly written to allow a hybrid between platforms and publishers. It stemmed from a court case where a financial forum run by Prodigy was successfully sued for a forum post by a member. It was designed to allow forums like HN etc. moderate without being liable for users' posts. You can argue about what you think the law should be, contact your local reps and push a bill to do that. But just repea…

Twitter crossed the Rubicon a few weeks ago by editorializing the US president's tweets with 'fact check' links. This has jeopardized the entire S230 gravy train for much of the BigTech platform service sector

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by Kednicma »

brightball wrote: post #27
tvanantwerp wrote: post #9

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Not just in terms of data preservation, but also in the amounts and the ever-quicker shifts of context. I can barely understand the controversy of the day on Twitter as it is, and I'm living through it. I don't know how future historians will make any sense of the data we do leave behind.

It will be a line item in a text book one day. “During the early 21st century as “social media” began to emerge, various political forces attempted to manipulate it to achieve their goals. Luckily, only the bad people were unsuccessful.”

"In the century leading up to the formation of the Hivemind, there were many rebellions around the world. Individual adult humans resisted the Hum when they were not raised with it. In 3 BHE (2020 CE), an outbreak of rona killed a quarter million humans in the United States of America, sparking the Q Rebellion. Even after the formation of the Hivemind, there were rebellious humans. After the Pan-National Treaties were ratified in 4 HE, the People's Republic of China invaded Hong Kong, starting the Skynet Rebellion, which would continue until 6 HE."

"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling." ~ Eames, "Inception"

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by pnako »

pdkl95 wrote: post #40
aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21

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I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

The triangle wasn't the only Nazi reference. They ran 88 variations of the ad, and the first sentence had 14 words. Both numbers are well-known references used by neo-Nazis for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_Precepts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words edit: If anyone doesn't believe that "14 words" is a neo-Nazi dog-whistle, here's the Anti-Defamation League's explanation: https://www.adl.org/edu…

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Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by Spooky23 »

baddox wrote: post #55
Spooky23 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you had letters and other primary source material. The garbage on Twitter is literally garbage and propaganda. The bleating of various mouthpieces are only useful in coordination with events and real documents.

Don't you suppose that letters also contained a lot of garbage and propaganda? I don't think we are generating less primary source material now that will be usable by future historians.

I spent a lot of time reading primary source material in college and as an intern at an archive. People didn’t preserve crap or spend money to send so much of it.

The closest thing are postcards from the early 20th century, and they are more banal then the garbage on Twitter. The difference is the egotistical impact of the platform. Most successful Twitter influencers who aren’t domain specialists are monsters.

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