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Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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I would certainly. Have you seen the kind of ads people can get on Youtube for example? There's some crazy bullshit there. I would regularly go to Google Ads preference page and correct their profile of myself (sadly many time that would means that I keep getting the same 2-3 ads because it then become too specific, but it's much better than the alternative). I also advise it to people that complains about ads on You…

Google (search) had that kicking-ass feature that it would show you some 20 ads relevant to your query clearly marked on the side bar. It was incredibly useful. Then they decided to track everybody, so the ads stopped being relevant and were just about stuff you were already looking for and for the pages you have already opened. Useless as it became, people stopped clicking and they had to start the dark patterns of…

> Now you are saying tracking is improving your experience, but you just said the ads are useless.

Where did I say that ads are useless? That's kind of scary that you come to that conclusion from my comment.

Is it because I am talking about ads available on Youtube? I hope you don't get theses ads, but there's some crappy ads on there that most people will see, unless Google believe you fit in theses criterias (thus crappy ads some people gets).

Normally I would have suggested you to go find a conspiracy theory channel and then watch what Youtube would give you afterward, but I think Google fixed that. At one point I was interested in watching people debunk flat earth conspiracy theory, and god my whole Youtube experience changed, I stopped doing that quickly.

> Google (search) had that kicking-ass feature that it would show you some 20 ads relevant to your query clearly marked on the side bar. It was incredibly useful.

Incredibly useful for what? The end goal of any ads is to make a sale (it can be extremely long term, but still, it's to get cash out of you). In the past few days I watched videos on theses 3 channels:

- Baumgartner Restoration

This one is about art restoration. I like to watch it on the side while doing something else, or right before sleeping, it's amazing, you should try it. Will I ever buy any art related stuff? Unlikely... Art restoration? Unlikely...

- Mathilda Hogberg

Someone that did a MTF transition. I got her on my suggestion feed, no idea why, but I was interested in the result of a full transition so I decided to watch it and then some others of her video. I'm not considering transition, I don't have her taste, I don't have much related to her. Would I buy anything then in this sphere? Unlikely

- Micarah Tewers

She makes dress and is quite interested into historical dresses. She is funny, have a quirky personnality, is quite ressourceful, and what made me enjoy her content is a rant she did about historical dresses on a recent winner of a Best costume award. I'm not considering buying a dress, nor am I interested in making one (I am male just in case it make it more relevant to you).

So in total, for theses 3 channels, ads would have been a waste on me considering the content. I watched at least 3-4 hours in between all 3 channels and they deserve to be paid for producing that content that I enjoyed. Luckily I am a Youtube Red subscriber, so they'll get paid whatever happen, but if I wasn't, then they would have gotten nothing out of my views.

I should receive a Ryzen 5 3600 tomorrow (not an XT sadly, but $/performance a 3600 is better). Google knew it, perfectly well believe me, my suggestions confirm it ;). If any reseller had any ads over one of theses videos, I would have most likely brought it from them. That's what happened when I bought my first netbook in 2010, Google Ads on Gmail (never mentioned it on any email, Google got it from a previous search). So if I had an ad about that processor or any related component, well maybe Baumgartner Restoration, Mathilda Hogberg or Micarah Tewers would have gotten a bit more from ads that I viewed ;).

> Useless as it became, people stopped clicking

That's a big assumption. Google is a trillion dollar industry and that's not from Youtube, it's all from ads. You don't become a trillion dollar industry by doing worst, but by doing more. Why would you then assume it made less money and not that it was simply a way to make more money? It's crazier considering then that you consider that their next step was a solution to make more money... Both tracking and mixing ads with result were to make more money.

> Are the original ads harmful?

What? Harmful? I'm really interested in your thought process, third time now that I ask myself how you get to a conclusion, in 3 paragraphs. The original ads were not as useful. I don't care about dress, please don't show theses ads to me, you will lose screen estate and you are assured to get no click from me, you are losing money by providing me a service that I can't pay for. Show me what I may be interested in buying, and that's most likely be technologically related, even on a art restoration channel.

> And you are protecting from that by surrendering extra information?

I am protecting? Like myself? No I protect the service and his likeliness to get money out of me. That extra information, I give it voluntarily already. If I search on Google, I am telling Google that I am interested in theses things. It's not extra information.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Can you cite the part of the regulation that requires “no tracking” must not require any more user interaction than the "Yes tracking" option.

Everyone here seems to be unaware of article 7, section 3: >The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal. Prior to giving consent, the data subject shall be informed thereof. It shall be as easy to withdraw as to give consent. Emphasis added. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gd…

Are there some semantic games being played here whereby the initial “Accept vs Customize” dark pattern dialogs don’t count as “withdrawing” consent because no consent has been given at that point? I.e. the annoying path of clicking Customize isn’t actually the withdrawal process, but is just the method of gaining acceptance?

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone here seems to be unaware of article 7, section 3: >The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal. Prior to giving consent, the data subject shall be informed thereof. It shall be as easy to withdraw as to give consent. Emphasis added. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-7-gd…

Are there some semantic games being played here whereby the initial “Accept vs Customize” dark pattern dialogs don’t count as “withdrawing” consent because no consent has been given at that point? I.e. the annoying path of clicking Customize isn’t actually the withdrawal process, but is just the method of gaining acceptance?

They're definitely trying that as a loophole, but it won't hold up. "No action/response" can't count as consent, and so if you never granted it, then they don't yet have it to begin with and aren't allowed to collect.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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DockerHub uses a company/product called "TrustArc: TRUSTe" and they have _exactly_ this method. The slowdown is intentional. People who come up with sort of tactics and those who implement them should go to jail. It's beyond infuriating. I've decided to not upload my images to dockerhub because of this. Edit: jail time is not for anger obviously, but for intentionally swindling people. It'll be handled on a case by c…

Since your edit seems to be taking the jail suggestion seriously: I think the data-money analogy isn't unreasonable, but you're overloading "swindle" pretty heavily here, in a way that defeats your point. Companies and people "swindle" others out of money all the time with dark patterns, and this predates computing by ten thousand years. Caveat emptor exists for a reason: the legal system is just too inflexible a too…

We tend to forget that caveat venditor exists as well; it's perfectly valid for the consumer to respond with that blunt instrument if the seller pushes their swindling too far.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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What really drives me crazy are prompts that start by showing two options: "Consent to all cookies", or "customize". If you click "customize", it opens a new modal window with a loading indicator that just doesn't seem to finish. I literally waited 60 seconds and then tried again by refreshing the page, ending up with another infinite loading indicator. This means that users are de-factor forced to click "consent to…

What's even worse is the same system (Customize) to then land on a 30 page privacy statement with instructions how to opt-out with each of their 140 "partners". Alternatively you get advised (also in the context of that 30 page privacy statement) to disable cookies.

The GDPR says that you only have consent if it is as easy to opt out as to opt in. So if it's one click to opt in and 140+ to opt out, then the opt ins don't count. So you're processing personal data without consent.

That's the way we prosecute them.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's even worse is the same system (Customize) to then land on a 30 page privacy statement with instructions how to opt-out with each of their 140 "partners". Alternatively you get advised (also in the context of that 30 page privacy statement) to disable cookies.

Which, after laboriously opting out of all 130 options, will show you an error message that not all partners currently except opt-outs. It's infuriating.

If people _cannot_ opt out, then the opt in is legally meaningless. i.e. people cannot legally opt in.
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