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Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by st1ck »

ralmidani wrote: post #38

Instructors want to reduce their risk of exposure, which is understandable. But serving that interest also means a lot of international students will lose their visas. Would limiting seats in class to just international students be a good way to reconcile both parties' interests? Edit: this would raise issues of fairness and equal treatment (a lot of students, especially those not accustomed to remote learning, would…

With in-person classes, instructors (and students, and everyone) will get infected because of how the virus works, and there is not that much one can do about it until vaccine or herd immunity is developed.

Students will lose their visas because of bureaucratic BS which can be changed anytime, but probably won't be because of the current political climate.

So, one concern is grounded in nature, another in bureaucracy, I don't think there is much of reconciliation. Although I agree completely that students are not getting what they paid for (if they paid for in-person classes).

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Post by maxchisto »

yizhang7210 wrote: post #206
maxchisto wrote: post #168

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Driving down aggregate demand for higher education can help bring down the cost (how effectively would depend on the elasticity of supply, which I'm not sure about). Fresh grads coming out of college with less debt should lead to higher aggregate spending in other sectors.

This is interesting. But this sounds like a long term effect right? Presumably universities aren't lowering tuitions just because of this semester?

Yeah, long term. Also, idk if that was the intention or if it will work. I just tried to think of any theoretical benefits.

Not shure what universities are doing. There are a lot of them. So far I've heard that Harvard will continue charging the same while pushing big chunk of students online.

You're right about benefits of foriegn capital flowing into US through international students. Net result can very well be negative.

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Post by screenbeam »

anon102010 wrote: post #118
screenbeam wrote: post #82

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America first is a great policy. Our people need jobs and our policies should reflect that.

I don't think the America First folks realize how damaging these trump policies are to america. The brain drain effect is almost always linked to poor economic performance. And the rules are so ham fisted now. Bipartisan H1B reform goes nowhere (prioritize US masters degrees, block H1B dependent employers from more H1Bs etc). Stupid stuff is everywhere. Immigrants bringing in revenue (plenty) support US jobs in the U…

Coming here is fine. Investing money here is fine. I am talking about wholesale offshoring and onshoring.

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Post by screenbeam »

anon102010 wrote: post #137
tim58 wrote: post #121

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Currently people with a Computer Science degree have ~95% employment during the worst economic downturn of my lifetime. I don't need goverment protection for my job. In order to be more competitive my company needs more workers with Computer Science degrees. Reducing the supply of computer science degree holders actually hurts my long term career prospects by reducing the international competitiveness of the type of…

No kidding, the US is gobbling up the worlds wealth through tech. The stupidity of throwing this away is monumental.

Good! America first

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Post by Forgeties79 »

twsttest wrote: post #69
curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

On what planet is the US’s immigration policy “extremely generous”? Have you experienced it? The costs and hoops and sheer years it takes?

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Post by screenbeam »

mrkurt wrote: post #105
screenbeam wrote: post #82

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America first is a great policy. Our people need jobs and our policies should reflect that.

Immigrants create economic growth though. They come here, spend money, start businesses, and generate more demand for the things that create jobs. In fact, preventing immigration reduces jobs. Companies will happily offshore any position they can. Jobs don't just exist in a vacuum. They're the result of a relatively complex economy, but growth generally creates jobs. So we should grow.

Yeah if an immigrant is going to create more jobs than he consumes let them in. Duh

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Post by screenbeam »

sg47 wrote: post #156
screenbeam wrote: post #82

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America first is a great policy. Our people need jobs and our policies should reflect that.

Your statement proves why you need immigrants to do high-skilled work.

Stay home

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Post by kyawzazaw »

ninjinxo wrote: post #151
kyawzazaw wrote: post #62

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It is. Infrastructure, strong simple institutions simply do not exist. And these people brain drained for a while and coming back later is better for those countries.

Do you have any actual examples or research? Remittance and charity didn't exactly help East Germany prosper after the mass exodus of its young, professionals, and farmers...

Oh I am not talking about remittance.

I am talking about emigrants that come to more developed countries and then going back afterwards.

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Post by colechristensen »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #205
colechristensen wrote: post #54

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Some logic needs to come in too though, what is the point of an international student renting an apartment in the US and taking a class over the Internet? Student visas make good sense, allow people from around the world to come here and get an education which is better or different and have a cultural exchange... but if coming here just gets you the cultural exchange of going to the grocery store and watching lectur…

They’re already here, travel is potentially dangerous (especially a large exodus of international students), time zone issues, ability to pick back up where they left off easily, possible local employment/internships, apartments/hoisting they’re under a lease for, the undoubtedly insane cluster it’ll be when folks try to return...the list goes on dude. That’s off the top of my head. Surely you can see how burdensome…

I am not trying to take a side but adding a point or two worth consideration.
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