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Sweden has half the COVID death of Belgium despite having had some of the more lax restrictions. The only reason Sweden is facing economic hardship is because of its starting position and the fact most of the world decided to go full retard on their own.
It seems obviously wasteful to keep such businesses open where most the paying customers won't be showing up during a pandemic anyways. Why even pay to have the lights on? You need to mothball the operation ASAP and lobby for government assistance for the duration. I was just poking at rough figures last night out of curiosity regarding when the other end of this arrives in terms of 60% herd immunity for the US. Just…
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Sweden's total per-capita death rate is 50% higher than the Netherlands, 500% higher than Germany and Denmark, and 900+% higher than Finland, Norway, and Poland. All those deaths have not made you safer--your daily per-capita death rate is still several times that of those countries. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
The current death rate, 10-15 people a day, is insignificant compared to other causes of death. It is not reasonable to talk about percentage differences when we're talking 15 vs 3 deaths a day.
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This is an important observation. In the Netherlands, where I live, I've had a number of people look at me with great surprise and mistrust when I mentioned that the Dutch have done a terrible job with this epidemic. The Guardian plots show that the Netherlands is one of the worst when it comes to under-reporting. This is not to say however that the Swedes have done a good job. While their numbers are credible, their…
In an average year, 13/1000 Swedes die anyway . Considering COVID has closed many of life's fun things, there will be an entire generation of people who have effectively "lost" a year of the things they hoped they would do in their lifetime. By stating open, Sweden might decrease life expectancy in years, but increase it in terms of 'things achieved in a lifetime'
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Taiwan. 7 people have died. No major economic impact. Now exporting masks to other countries. No brushing aside deaths of the elderly and disabled as if those people’s lives were nothing. Their’s was demonstrably the best strategy and everyone else is just making excuses.
Taiwan and Germany have the advantage that they have strong domestic medical testing industries. This allowed Germany to do 5x to 10x as many tests as France, Italy and Spain. In turn this enabled them to accurately map the spread of the disease and use targeted tactical lockdowns to eliminate outbreaks at the local level. Korea did the same. Without the same testing capacity, this strategy simply wasn’t available in…
Also, the choice to offshore medical supply infrastructure was a deliberate one by many wealthy countries. That this was foolish and short-sighted is not any more of an excuse than anything else with their poor responses.
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The same data source also shows that Sweden's per-capita death rates are lower than Spain and Italy, which had full scale lockdowns.
They had lockdowns after country systems were completely overwhelmed. Up to inability to handle dead people in some places. Their situations was strong argument for other countries to lock down much sooner.
I find this article a little disingenuous and here is why: Sweden-5420 deaths out of a population of 10 million while no lock down. Michigan-6005 deaths out of a population of 10 million and we have been locked down since mid March. To be clear, I was in favor of the lockdown at first and I still am in favor of keeping things like bars and casinos closed but it’s become clear that the virus doesn’t have much affect o…
The problem is that people ignored the lockdown. Also the virus doesn’t discriminate. Younger people will die but may take longer to do so. Also we are detecting cases earlier than back in March where you had to be really sick to get a test.
I mean, of course the virus "discriminates" in the sense that there is a huge disparity in mortality rate between age and pre-existing condition groups.
Sure, it can infect anyone but it's obviously false to act like the effects are equal across demographics.
I find this article a little disingenuous and here is why: Sweden-5420 deaths out of a population of 10 million while no lock down. Michigan-6005 deaths out of a population of 10 million and we have been locked down since mid March. To be clear, I was in favor of the lockdown at first and I still am in favor of keeping things like bars and casinos closed but it’s become clear that the virus doesn’t have much affect o…
The problem is that people ignored the lockdown. Also the virus doesn’t discriminate. Younger people will die but may take longer to do so. Also we are detecting cases earlier than back in March where you had to be really sick to get a test.
But they can be a great vector of infection to others.
You have to look at the excess deaths figures. That is, how many usually dies from January to June in a normal year and compare that to how many extra that died in 2020. For Sweden the excess deaths almost exactly matches the number of Covid deaths, give or take 10%. That is not the case for many other countries. For example, the UK had almost twice the number of excess deaths as Covid deaths in a few weeks in April.…
* https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav...
* https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06...