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Post by Aperocky »

linuxftw wrote: post #164
three_seagrass wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's another measurable, negative impact of the America First philosophy [1]. 40% of the Fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrant families [2][3], so the U.S. is really shooting itself in the foot (again). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy) [2] F500 2010: http://research.newamericaneconomy.org/wp-content/uploads/20... (pdf) [3] F500 2017: https://startupsusa.org/fortune500/

Being an immigrant is not virtuous in and of itself. How many of those 40% 'immigrant families' immigrated here poor and climbed the economic ladder, and how many took stolen wealth from a feudal system in the old country and built a business? Instead of investing in our domestic population with job training and scholarships, corporations are importing labor from overseas. Those people getting imported have degrees (…

> More labor means cheaper labor.

The US population has grown from ~150 million in 1950 to ~350 million now.

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Post by sg47 »

gnulinux wrote: post #162
jb775 wrote: post #99

International students should be allowed to stay as long as they're full-time, and are accepted into an accredited university with the intention of attending in person. I guess the gray area here is that colleges, many of them being for-profit entities, are facing big drops in enrollment and can essentially sell US citizenship in exchange for tuition payments. Once an online course system is set up, the only cost is…

Going from a student with F visa to Green Card is a >10 year adventure with all sorts of problems and complex legal framework. Not to mention, it's practically impossible for some majors, in particular if your major does not apply to OPT STEM extension, it's very hard to get H1B as you have 1 chance to be picked in lottery. This "universities sell US citizenship" thing is plain misinformation.

If you are from India, it's a 150-year adventure.

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Post by sm0ss117 »

Just another step on the way to the US becoming a pariah state. I'm really not looking forward to the next few years here. While electing a Democratic government might be able to reverse some of the policies, check out what the senate is doing to the judicial branch to see why that might not be enough, it won't return the trust or reputation of the US.

The nativist, anti-intellectual, and outright fascist elements of the US have gone from a vocal minority to a genuine force in American politics thanks to the Senate. While they still are a minority of the population, probably 20% if you cast the absolute widest net possible, due to gerrymandering, 2 Senators per state, lifetime judicial appointments, the electoral college, and extreme voter suppression they are in charge of huge swaths of the government. It's gonna be a wild ride.

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Post by riyakhanna1983 »

gnulinux wrote: post #144
twsttest wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

> the US is still extremely generous with immigration. US is the WORST country on earth for immigration. I came to US >10 years ago, still NOWHERE near getting a Green Card. Will probably won't get well into my 30s or 40s. It's practically impossible to get it in the next 5 years. The same time I started undergrad in US, my friend started undergrad in Germany. He was already a German citizen by the time we were worki…

Could the waiting be attributed to your country of citizenship? I know there's a long wait for citizens of a few countries because there are per-country limits on green cards.

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Post by burkaman »

bruceb wrote: post #152
burkaman wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean if somebody told you "40% of fortune 500 companies are founded by first generation immigrants" that wasn't true, but I've never heard that, and I can't immediately find an article that says that. The claim as stated here, "40% of the Fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrant families", is very straightforward.

BS. What is the image that comes to mind with: "40% of the Fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrant families" Sounds like they were solely responsible for creating this company. Now a more precise statement: 40% of Fortune 500 companies had at least one immigrant or American with at least 1 immigrant parent on found team. Changes the image in one's mind a lot. Why not actually be straightforward instead of misl…

I guess it would be better to change "founded" to "founded or cofounded".

Your formulation is fine too, although immigrants are Americans, so I don't love that distinction. Regardless, these all conjure up the same idea for me. For the purposes of this discussion, I don't even see much difference between founder and cofounder. Typically if someone is called a cofounder then the business probably wouldn't exist without them.

To settle the argument, why don't we agree to stick with this sentence from the original study: "43 percent of these companies were founded or co-founded by an immigrant or the child of an immigrant."

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Post by unishark »

jimbokun wrote: post #161
jb775 wrote: post #99

International students should be allowed to stay as long as they're full-time, and are accepted into an accredited university with the intention of attending in person. I guess the gray area here is that colleges, many of them being for-profit entities, are facing big drops in enrollment and can essentially sell US citizenship in exchange for tuition payments. Once an online course system is set up, the only cost is…

Probably more accurate to say "can essentially sell US visas in exchange for tuition payments".

And that includes an addition year (or two years of STEM) of work visa after graduation. Plus something like 6 months of CPT in summers.

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Post by sg47 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #51
dopamean wrote: post #32

Seems like bs to me. If you're on the other side of the planet you're expected to be online at 3am for lectures and exams? Ridiculous.

Students do all sorts of things to get a degree. Lots of folks in the working world, work at 3AM. Its not 'ridiculous', just onerous.

Why would anyone pay tens of thousands of dollars to take a class at 3am and be at risk of not being able to come back into the country to finish their degree?

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Post by corey_moncure »

jhpriestley wrote: post #155
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SPLC is a joke nowadays. They scoop up all sorts of names and label them hatemongers. It takes a lawsuit to get them to recant: [1] 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-...

If you think that one high-profile mistake makes them "a joke" then you might not be aware of how much work SPLC does. For example, here is their page on CIS, with hundreds of citations and direct quotes https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou...

Approximately half of these quotes are completely void of race or hate at all. It's just that one disagrees with the politics of the other.
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