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Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by anon102010 »

conanbatt wrote: post #100
twsttest wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

H1B abuse doesn't exist. It's made up. You multiply the quota by 100x and it wouldn't exist as a concept, same as J1 nanny visas being abused doesn't exist.

It does exist, but would be easy to fix.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by Bhilai »

twsttest wrote: post #69
curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

> H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in.

Nothing has been reigned in. H1B quota got full early on this year and H1bs were allotted through a lottery of qualified candidates. Transfers are still being allowed. If your argument is that H1B gets abused then right way is to pass a reasonable bill and not blanket ban everything.

Yet again, F1 visa already prohibit students a 100% online school from entering the country. So your impression of immigration being "reigned in" is pretty misguided.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by jimbokun »

curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

How much of this is due to existing Trump administration policies, and how much due to COVID?

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by gnulinux »

twsttest wrote: post #69
curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

> the US is still extremely generous with immigration.

US is the WORST country on earth for immigration. I came to US >10 years ago, still NOWHERE near getting a Green Card. Will probably won't get well into my 30s or 40s. It's practically impossible to get it in the next 5 years.

The same time I started undergrad in US, my friend started undergrad in Germany. He was already a German citizen by the time we were working. I was still on F visa. This was like half a decade ago.

My biggest regret EVER was doing this in the US. If I got a PhD in Europe instead of US, I wouldn't be a person who doesn't have a country.

I understand that American people don't want immigrants. But let's not pretend immigration into US is easy. I've been trying my entire life to live here without getting kicked out and it's pure luck. One mistake and you need to wrap your entire life, leave loved ones and go back home. Again, I'm NOT saying I'm entitled to living in the US, I'm saying this is an extremely long, and complex process.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by conanbatt »

anon102010 wrote: post #141
conanbatt wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1B abuse doesn't exist. It's made up. You multiply the quota by 100x and it wouldn't exist as a concept, same as J1 nanny visas being abused doesn't exist.

It does exist, but would be easy to fix.

The fix is the problem.

Even if you are anti-immigration, your biggest issue should be tourist visas which is how illegal immigrants stay in the US, and those are unlimited and in the millions. H1B quotas are stupid by design.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by [deleted] »

screenbeam wrote: post #82
three_seagrass wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's another measurable, negative impact of the America First philosophy [1]. 40% of the Fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrant families [2][3], so the U.S. is really shooting itself in the foot (again). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy) [2] F500 2010: http://research.newamericaneconomy.org/wp-content/uploads/20... (pdf) [3] F500 2017: https://startupsusa.org/fortune500/

America first is a great policy. Our people need jobs and our policies should reflect that.

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Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by filoleg »

jb775 wrote: post #99

International students should be allowed to stay as long as they're full-time, and are accepted into an accredited university with the intention of attending in person. I guess the gray area here is that colleges, many of them being for-profit entities, are facing big drops in enrollment and can essentially sell US citizenship in exchange for tuition payments. Once an online course system is set up, the only cost is…

> International students should be allowed to stay as long as they're full-time, and are accepted into an accredited university with the intention of attending in person.

Luckily, that's exactly what these new "rules" allow for (check the source material, not just news coverage of it; the source material is written in a pretty plain and easy to understand language, not walls of legalese). You are only getting kicked out if your courseload is fully online or if you don't take enough classes to qualify for a full-time student status. Otherwise, you are good.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by rileymat2 »

three_seagrass wrote: post #130
rileymat2 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with the overall point but there is an implication in the use of the stat that the business would not have started if not for that 1 out of 5 founder. Alternatively, that role would have been filled By someone else.

>Alternatively, that role would have been filled By someone else. If your hypothesis were true, then the rate of Fortune 500 companies being founded by immigrant families (40%) would be representative of the % of immigrant families in the U.S. population (24%), which it's not.

No, The ops point is if you include cofounding, the percentage should be higher than the population rate.

Made up numbers follow. If the average number of Cofounders was 4, at 25% population rate the number would be around 66% immigrant founded by that stat.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by rileymat2 »

burkaman wrote: post #136
rileymat2 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with the overall point but there is an implication in the use of the stat that the business would not have started if not for that 1 out of 5 founder. Alternatively, that role would have been filled By someone else.

I don't understand what you mean. How would the role be filled? They invented the role, that's the point of founding something. They didn't apply to a job posting for the position of "founder" that somebody else could have applied to.

Say you have a CTO, Salesman and CEO founding and one is an immigrant, it is possible the other two would have filled that role with someone else.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by gopalv »

curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

> The US is actively abandoning its goal of being the land of opportunity, and it makes me sad.

Yes - this is active, but not irrational, because this is a reversion to mercantilism of the earlier centuries (it is not a conservative position, but a regressive one).

The only people welcome to this country are "growing things in the ground".

Because if the only thing that you consider to be productive is farming (as in production == farming), then the whole social requirements of education, research or specialization is irrelevant. And in fact, those people are a drain on the food security and profitability of the extractive industry of farming.

Maybe because it is fresh, I was struck by a bit of the lyrics from Hamilton as being a direct reference to this thought that the rest of America is just "moving money around" in the service industries (even the industry, where every stage is just making something from somebody else's raw material, till you get to the Appalachian coal mines).

  Don't tax the South 'cause we got it made in the shade /

  In Virginia, we plant seeds in the ground /

  We create, you just wanna move our money around /

  This financial plan is an outrageous demand
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