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Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by ceejayoz »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #28
znpy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

Not sure if it is about hospitals any more. The confusion is we don’t have a goal in mind we agree on. e.g. Many hospitals are almost empty and they have to furlough doctors/nurses...

> e.g. Many hospitals are almost empty and they have to furlough doctors/nurses...

Hospitals are huge organizations with many different functions. You can be maxed out on ICU capacity at the same time you're furloughing the folks who work in elective plastic surgery, dermatology, mammography, etc.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by dougmwne »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

You say that you are legitimately asking, so in the spirit of HN, I will assume good faith.

Here is a RAND corporation whitepaper on chronic disease in the USA. Right at the top, it states that 60% of american adults have at least one chronic health condition. Obesity is also a big risk factor and we all know how many US adults have that comorbidity.

http://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/TL221...

Excluding everyone perfectly healthy from the coronavirus death statistics is the ultimate exercise in data cherry-picking.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by sg47 »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Let's say you were granted complete immunity, would you willingly kill all your family members that are above 80?

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #28
znpy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

Not sure if it is about hospitals any more. The confusion is we don’t have a goal in mind we agree on. e.g. Many hospitals are almost empty and they have to furlough doctors/nurses...

I think that's another issue. Surgeries and therapies are being delayed and rescheduled. That part (empty hospitals) is not about intensive care.

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Post by cptskippy »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Is your county a fair representation of all demographics in your country?

Are you taking into account the rise in annual deaths this year when Covid related deaths are removed?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Why are there more people dying from non-covid related deaths if everyone is in quarantine?

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

brink wrote: post #11
midrus wrote: post #9

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Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

Of course they do. So advise the 1% that's at risk to quarantine until we get a vaccine.

This in unrealistic Sweden tried that and failed. It still imposed some limitations though, yet they have very large death rate. Besides, no one really know how susceptible he or she is to the disease; there are hundreds of examples of sickly 100+ old people having light cold and young seemingly healthy 35 y old people dying. Even more importantly, the diseases seems to have long term consequences even for the healthier people.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by schmichael »

trhway wrote: post #32
coliveira wrote: post #6

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He was one of the first to bring COVID-19 to Brazil in a visit to the US in March. So one can truly say that he has spread the virus to millions.

wouldn't it mean a 3+ month incubation period? When the government is AWOL, M16 as a tool to "encourage" people to wear masks : https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/americas/brazil-rio-favela-co... "Young dealers, not state medical personnel, are the ones encouraging measures against coronavirus in the favela." It is quite notable that the 3 worst hit countries - US, Brazil, Russia - are lead by the populist regimes, ie. g…

I believe they're referring to his aides that contracted the virus in March, not the President himself.

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Post by catalogia »

Pxtl wrote: post #23
brink wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they do. So advise the 1% that's at risk to quarantine until we get a vaccine.

They tried that in Sweden and ended up killing a bunch of people.

Assuming an effective vaccine doesn't come anytime soon, which thusfar seems a safe assumption, other countries will have many deaths as well, just spread out more over the coming months/year[s?]. A flattened curve has the same area under it.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by ceejayoz »

thepangolino wrote: post #37
pucallpa wrote: post #5

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i wonder if he nows thinks is a "little flu"

He definitely seems to be handling it quite alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG0WaCmO56E

Boris Johnson gave speeches sounding relatively fine a couple days before winding up in the ICU. We'll see.
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