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Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by MiroF »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

500,000 or more dead is a lot regardless of what their age is. I'd work on your empathy

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by brink »

znpy wrote: post #17
brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

> Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

So is type 2 diabetes, so are traffic deaths, so is terrorism, so are heart attacks. All of which are somewhat preventable.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by MiroF »

daddy_ wrote: post #38
braythwayt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an epidemiologist? Physician specializing in blood and/or respiratory diseases? Failing that, have you scoured the available literature with a completely open mind, and can summarize the arguments ranging from taking this incredibly seriously to blowing it off as just a "flu?" Or have you seen one or two essays that seem persuasive, and quote the studies that happen to support the argument the author's wish t…

I literally don’t care. I’m going to live my life.

Wow, you're cool.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by kick »

There's no possible way this is going to lead to a good discussion when any sensible person will say "Hope he dies" or similar, which is unfortunate because it's such an interesting thing.

My only thought that has much public value is that the timing of the US President's sudden and strange willingness to wear a mask after mocking them for so long looks suspicious under this light.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by baddox »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Many of us are concerned because when lots of people die, we think it's bad, even if those people "had other health issues." That doesn't seem so hysterical to me.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by Press2forEN »

braythwayt wrote: post #18
brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Are you an epidemiologist? Physician specializing in blood and/or respiratory diseases? Failing that, have you scoured the available literature with a completely open mind, and can summarize the arguments ranging from taking this incredibly seriously to blowing it off as just a "flu?" Or have you seen one or two essays that seem persuasive, and quote the studies that happen to support the argument the author's wish t…

It is quite possible for someone to have all the credentials you specified and still agree with OP.

Trying to credential-shame someone out of the conversation doesn't help anyone.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by neurobashing »

matz1 wrote: post #15
midrus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

you can't expect 0% death, its unrealistic.

This is a strawman. No one reasonable thinks that you can eliminate deaths. But, when all it takes to avoid _the majority_ of fatalities is some mask wearing, hand-washing, and effort on the part of institutions (testing, contact tracking, etc) you can avoid _unnecessary_ deaths quite well; see South Korea for an example.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by verganileonardo »

anonms-coward wrote: post #20

What would happen if Bolsanaro doesn't survive? How does succession works in Brazil. Is the next person in line more or less rational than Bolsanaro. Also can it end up leading Brazil further to the right due to sympathy votes? Or will it make people realise his incompetence if something happens to him.

The vice president would become the president. He is an army general that sounds more reasonable and less frantic - but there is a risk that we will steer towards dictatorship.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

daddy_ wrote: post #38
braythwayt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an epidemiologist? Physician specializing in blood and/or respiratory diseases? Failing that, have you scoured the available literature with a completely open mind, and can summarize the arguments ranging from taking this incredibly seriously to blowing it off as just a "flu?" Or have you seen one or two essays that seem persuasive, and quote the studies that happen to support the argument the author's wish t…

I literally don’t care. I’m going to live my life.

...no matter the damage it causes to others.
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