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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by roywiggins » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

For every death, there's an unknown number of people with severe, long-lasting effects that aren't currently captured in any statistics. Just ask Richard Quest. There's many, many more like him. This thing seems to do long-term damage to people, even people with "mild" courses of disease that don't even send them to hospital.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-we...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by FriendlyNormie » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

midrus wrote: post #9

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

No post body was provided.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by Pxtl » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #11

midrus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

Of course they do. So advise the 1% that's at risk to quarantine until we get a vaccine.

They tried that in Sweden and ended up killing a bunch of people.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by fullstop » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Three things:

  1. He is 65 years old.
  2. 0.6% of the population is a LOT of people.
  3. Infected people linger in the ICU for a long time.  If you are in a car accident, will they have room for you?

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

It is news, but as other have noted it is not surprising given Bolsanaro's public stance. Frankly, I am more surprised US upper echelon seems largely unscathed at the moment.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by graeme » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

What fraction of the population would you estimate has a pre-existing condition? Think carefully, considering that obesity is a pre-existing condition. This article says even being overweight has a higher risk.

You’re also focussing on the death rate, but many of those hospitalized see after effects.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2237?fbclid=IwAR1nV_GMu...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by csours » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Lots of reasons, but here's one: Saturation of healthcare resources. People who get sick with Covid are more likely to use hospital beds and resources, and for longer as well.

Also, as you get older the more health issues you will pick up, statistically speaking. So if at age 70, 60% of the population have serious health issues, something like 60% of the population is vulnerable. Saying 99% of fatalities had other serious health issues is almost the same as saying that older populations are more vulnerable.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by mensetmanusman » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #17

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

Not sure if it is about hospitals any more. The confusion is we don’t have a goal in mind we agree on.

e.g. Many hospitals are almost empty and they have to furlough doctors/nurses...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

pucallpa wrote: post #5

rafaelturk wrote: post #2

Brazilian here: Given the insane number of venues and public events that he was attending or hosting I am actually surprised it took this far for him to get the virus.

i wonder if he nows thinks is a "little flu"

For a significant percentage of people, symptoms are mild. It wouldn't be at all surprising for someone like Bolsanaro or Trump to get a mild case and cite that as evidence - "see, I got it, and it wasn't bad at all!"

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by doliveira » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

1% dies, ~ 10% are hospitalized, and many of those will have lifelong issues after recovering. So yeah, the body count piling up when not even 10% of the population has caught the disease kind of disproves your point.

And 1/3 of the population has "existing conditions", so no, you're not just being insensitive.