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U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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Tencent owns 40% of Epic Games ... shall we ban Fortnite as well then and make all the kids play Minecraft since it is wholly owned by a US company ???.

I think yes. If china is isolating itself from the internet, its only fair to not allow china to participate in the internet.

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> Very few countries have banned to the extent of what the CCP did That's true, but the start of "they block our apps we should block all of them" seems to weirdly be china, but the argument is usually presented as a general obvious conclusion. I am very much in favor of banning apps that violate local laws and unfortunately that's what china does. So it's more the laws I don't like, not the ban in general. But this…

> If possible, it should be clear what the requirements are so people can fulfil it. I really dislike arbitrarily enforceable laws where possibly everyone is in violation. I do agree with that, these kind of retaliation laws have to be codified and be precised. But that's not something uncommon outside of tech, countries will implement trade sanctions if they also face trade sanctions from other markets. Banning apps…

Does this hurt the CCP? No. It only hurts ByteDance and its investors , which are mostly private entities; while the CCP gets to gloat that look told you, they are no better than us.

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So it is not ok for a foreign app the spy on its user but it's perfectly ok for Google and co to do so? Anyone remember what Uber did with their app and tracking users? What about the king of tracking, facebook?

US is not great, but i would want the US to be the police of the world and not china. I am not a US citizen. The reason is simple USA is built on democracy and individual freedom.

Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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So it is not ok for a foreign app the spy on its user but it's perfectly ok for Google and co to do so? Anyone remember what Uber did with their app and tracking users? What about the king of tracking, facebook?

US is not great, but i would want the US to be the police of the world and not china. I am not a US citizen. The reason is simple USA is built on democracy and individual freedom.

Your posting history sounds like that of a bot.

Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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post #142

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> If possible, it should be clear what the requirements are so people can fulfil it. I really dislike arbitrarily enforceable laws where possibly everyone is in violation. I do agree with that, these kind of retaliation laws have to be codified and be precised. But that's not something uncommon outside of tech, countries will implement trade sanctions if they also face trade sanctions from other markets. Banning apps…

Does this hurt the CCP? No. It only hurts ByteDance and its investors , which are mostly private entities; while the CCP gets to gloat that look told you, they are no better than us.

There's no independent large private company in China right now anyways, ByteDance is controlled by the CCP just like any other large Chinese company (tech or not).

And decisions like this do help to hurt the CCP, it reduces the reach of Chinese tech companies.

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> I don't think someone in China seeing my TikTok videos Leaving aside mechanisms and policies, this is not about seeing videos, this is about the invasive amount of information TikTok collects from devices it runs on.

I don't think someone in China getting my GPS history, or my browsing history, or my mother's phone number is a national security issue, either.

Using a large enough network and bluetooth history someone could track the movements of someone they are interested in.

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I don't think someone in China getting my GPS history, or my browsing history, or my mother's phone number is a national security issue, either.

Yours? Probably not. But it isn't about you. We already know that social media can be, and is, used to track details by nation states on all sorts of things, from the movement of individuals of interest, as well as things such as estimating the population of military bases, discovering military operations, etc. A foreign government having access to all of that data for a huge portion of the population is 100% a natio…

Then ban military people from using it, problem solved.

This level of paranoia looks more like the Soviet Union[1] than it does like a free country.

[1] Where you couldn't even buy a map, because heaven forbid, foreign spies might use them to compromise... National security. They might learn the distances between the army base, and the hospital, and then who knows what diabolical plot they may hatch?

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To be crude, I don't think someone in China seeing my TikTok videos is a national security issue. This interference with the free market is about politics, not security.

It could be for example if your neighbor works for CIA or at some secret research laboratory. They can learn a lot about them by watching your funny cat videos.

This makes zero sense. What material information will they learn about my neighbour from my phone?

Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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Does this hurt the CCP? No. It only hurts ByteDance and its investors , which are mostly private entities; while the CCP gets to gloat that look told you, they are no better than us.

There's no independent large private company in China right now anyways, ByteDance is controlled by the CCP just like any other large Chinese company (tech or not). And decisions like this do help to hurt the CCP, it reduces the reach of Chinese tech companies.

The CCP high officials don't really care about anyone but their own relatives and cronies, while your assumption is mostly right as in the cases like Alibaba and Tencent, ByteDance isn't exactly like them, it has a kind of autonomy and internationalization those companies wouldn't dare to dream of. ByteDance isn't as beholden to the party as those two since it's a startup capitalized on the app economy, it's growth is organic, didn't rely on government policies and protection.

In fact ByteDance already has blockbuster app killed by Chinese authorities.

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