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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by rsynnott »

bJGVygG7MQVF8c wrote: post #69
rsynnott wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inclusive or, I assume (from my limited understanding, Judaism considers some rules to only apply to Jews, so it would make sense to consider Jews and Gentiles separately here). Total side note, but I’ve noticed that programmers (including myself) are more prone to read English or as xor than, for want of a better term, normal people. Not sure why this is.

That's interesting. My observation is almost the reverse — the casual English default for "or" seems to be xor, and only people with some exposure to formal logic know it can be ambiguous. I find some reinforcement for that in almost every logic book I've ever read using the casual English parsing of "or" to introduce the notion of inclusive or. But it's been a while, I may be misremembering.

Yeah, maybe I misstated; 'normal people' are more likely to read English 'or' contextually (in this case, for instance, clearly it's not meant to mean that Jews aren't people), while programmers are more likely to treat it as 'must mean exclusive or' (maybe precisely because explicit inclusive or is introduced with reference to it).

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Post by wolrah »

yadco wrote: post #10
mlatu wrote: post #5

The lengths some people go to for religion... smh

This is not required for Judaism at all.

Nothing is required for any religion. This is pretty well demonstrated by the major religions of the world, where for almost every element of their belief systems you can find a sect that either ignores that part altogether and/or takes it to the extreme.

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Post by dangus »

As someone who isn’t religious, it’s really, REALLY hard to remind myself that not only do people still believe this stuff, but MOST people in the western world still believe in the Judeo-Christian God and all the underlying mythology.

I feel like the rational outcome would be that only a small minority of people would still buy into these ideologies. But I guess economists already know that people aren’t rational.

Obviously, I’m aware that this website represents an orthodox minority. Most religious people don’t go to these lengths.

Religious rules and practices are just so annoyingly easy to pick apart. For example, doesn’t the change from the Julian and Gregorian calendars throw a wrench into what day we are actually on?

It’s hard for me to buy that God created billions of planets and galaxies with each planet having different orbital properties and that somehow the arbitrary days of the week that weren’t even set to their present status until after Moses was dead for 3000 years are important to him.

This nonsense affects my daily interactions in the sense that I can’t run around questioning obviously arbitrary traditions, it’ll just insult people and it’s just generally mean.

So, I’ve given you more than enough of my opinion, and this isn’t exactly constructive, but to me the sooner you exit the denial stage of grief the sooner you and move on to accepting the reality of life.

That means specifically accepting that the only two roles of religion are:

1. A social construct and group (with legitimate benefits of fellowship and social interaction like a club)

2. A coping mechanism for death, one that prevents its adherents from reaching the painful stages of grief beyond denial.

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Post by nanna »

archi42 wrote: post #68
nanna wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Judaism, Islam and Christianity don't? Edit: If you believe in a religion, then religion exists in the most real sense possible, as that which guides your relation to the beginning and end of reality itself, God. If you don't believe, then religion exists in no more and no less of a sense as capitalism: it is a fiction which vast amounts of people believe in and live their lives by, and so it is real. Not in the…

This is an excellent comment, and I agree on the conclusion that either exists as much as the other. However ;-), I dare to say your argument is weak: Assume "I believe in the apple on my desk". But you will find there is neither a fruit nor an Apple branded computer on my desk. So an outside observer is bound to believe I am going mad, hence my belief shapes my social relationship with others around me. Now does thi…

Well, this is fun :)

I think the problem with your argument is that you're replacing the concept of religion with the concept of 'apple' which in every sense signifies something that exists as a hylomorphic object. An apple which can sit on my desk. However language is full of concepts which don't share that kind of existence, ones which tend to be the objects of philosophy. Love, justice, power... race, gender, capitalism, religion, God. These exist but not as 'physical' objects, objects whose existence can be accepted or denied according to empirical criteria.

For example, in the market I can say I see capitalism before me, even though it's not a physical object. It's in the exchange of goods, the extraction of commodity and surplus value. In the same way in a synagogue or church I can say that I see religion before me, or in the Oval Office I see power (as well as in the streets, of course).

With respect to comparing God to an apple, I'd take a Kantian line. One refers to belief, the other to knowledge. Got to make space for one in order to have room for the other ;)

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Post by Faaak »

WJW wrote: post #78
teajunky wrote: post #19

If there was a God, I don't think he likes being tricked.

He's not tricked, he put the loopholes there on purpose. You can't trick an omniscient being.

Supposing you're right, then why did they put these loopholes by purpose if they're going to be discovered someday ? To play games with us maybe ? But then is that morally ok to do so ?

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by joelbluminator »

nanna wrote: post #28
joelbluminator wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They both have pros and cons. Entire wars were fought over the ideals of both, and both dominate their "believers everyday life.

Where would you argue a war exists today that does not have its roots in the economic domination of one group over another, and is purely fought on religious grounds?

Crusades, ISIS, the depression of the muslim Uyghur by China, European antisemitism (which culminated in nazism), Armenian genocide, etc etc. Now many atrocities had several factors, but I believe religion plays a dominant role in the ones I listed. Arguably you can put 11-9 and the subsiquent mid east war in there as well...

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by cik »

dangus wrote: post #83

As someone who isn’t religious, it’s really, REALLY hard to remind myself that not only do people still believe this stuff, but MOST people in the western world still believe in the Judeo-Christian God and all the underlying mythology. I feel like the rational outcome would be that only a small minority of people would still buy into these ideologies. But I guess economists already know that people aren’t rational. O…

The problem with that thinking is that neither belief nor disbelief in a deity is rational. Ultimately the existence (or non) of said deity is a leap of faith either way, given the inability to prove the existence of G-D.

I fully understand the complete belief or disbelief in a religion. That's the assumption of a system surrounding G-D, but as an Orthodox Jew I don't pretend that there's 100% proof that G-D exists, rather the proof exists for me to maintain my beliefs.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by heisbsissi »

emosenkis wrote: post #32
heisbsissi wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a gentile, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is borderline satire. You sound like Devin Nunes apoplectic about how it is not actually one of his farm animals criticizing him on twitter.

Sorry if I came across as apopleptic - I'm mostly not at all confident that most gentiles or secular Jews would readily identify it as satire - when I clicked on the link, I expected to see something real.

Yeah fair enough, I just figured especially with the url it's some Borat subtle type with technical know how, not some work will set you free nut.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by idoby »

alangibson wrote: post #8

That's a lot of effort to do nothing. Does anyone know if there is some significance to it being calculated on Tuesday? Since Shabbat is from Friday to Saturday I would have picked Sunday or Monday.

"In Judaism, on the other hand, Tuesday is considered a particularly lucky day, because in Bereshit (parashah), known in the Christian tradition as the first chapters of Genesis, the paragraph about this day contains the phrase "it was good" twice."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuesday

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by Majromax »

pron wrote: post #46
reallydontask wrote: post #16

I can't find the exact quote but I think a comedian once said something along the lines of (large pinches of salt on the quote and whether it was said by a comedian): You think your god is all knowing, etc.. but at the same time stupid enough to fall for these work arounds

Halakhic Judaism isn't about faith or what God knows. It's about obeying laws ( Halakha [1]) made by people based on a God-given "constitution." Employing "loopholes" is fine -- it means you care about the law and try to obey it, which is the point. Worship is expressed not with faith but in a process of interpreting and creating laws and then following them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

See also acoup.blog's series on Polytheism (https://acoup.blog/2019/10/25/collections-practical-polythei...). It's obviously not a direct analysis of Judaism, but the series discusses the idea of 'orthopraxis' (correct practice) as the relevant concept compared to the idea of 'orthodoxy' (correct belief). The latter, of course, is the central concept of modern Christianity.
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