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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by rsynnott »

helge9210 wrote: post #37
emosenkis wrote: post #25

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

>people or Jews I like the distinction you make here.

Inclusive or, I assume (from my limited understanding, Judaism considers some rules to only apply to Jews, so it would make sense to consider Jews and Gentiles separately here).

Total side note, but I’ve noticed that programmers (including myself) are more prone to read English or as xor than, for want of a better term, normal people. Not sure why this is.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by dabbernaught420 »

fazza99 wrote: post #24

Betcha it doesn't return any results for 'PLO' ;)

I'm sure it's more than happy to teach you about the great game of Pot Limited Omaha

But after you're done with that, at result number 11, you get this interesting web-site: https://abbaszaki.plo.ps/

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ggop wrote: post #38

B&H Video is shut for a day every week but also disallows online checkout. I've always found that interesting, like the website is an extension of their beliefs. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/StoreInfo.jsp > Online Checkout Hours > Open 24/6 > Online checkout will be closed while we observe Shabbat from 8:15pm ET Fri until 9:45pm ET Sat. Although online ordering is unavailable, you may still add items…

I have shopped with them many times.

Kind of an awesome shop. Ever been there?

I have to believe that they have spent a great deal of time considering Talmudic law and all that (I am non-jewish, so I am not aware of the niceties).

It may have to do with the "making money" thing, during Shabbat.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by rsynnott »

heisbsissi wrote: post #27
emosenkis wrote: post #25

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

As a gentile, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is borderline satire. You sound like Devin Nunes apoplectic about how it is not actually one of his farm animals criticizing him on twitter.

I think this sort of thing reads as absurd in Christian majority cultures mostly because mainstream Christianity does not currently have many restrictions which inconvenience people day to day. Back when it did, they did stuff that was at least as weird; did you know that both beavers and certain types of geese were regionally considered to be fish to get around the no meat on Fridays thing?

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by phonon »

Jaruzel wrote: post #41
abductee_hg wrote: post #12

hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'? I find the whole concept quite interesting.

Most Orthodox Jews would not use any electrical device, or repair items on the Sabbath, no.

Sabbath is 25 hours. Typical schedule...

7-10 h sleep

3-4 h prayers

3-5 h meals

0-4 hours religious study

Remainder is light recreational activity, walking to/from synagogue/friends' homes.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by chadash »

Jaruzel wrote: post #41
abductee_hg wrote: post #12

hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'? I find the whole concept quite interesting.

I'll give you a focus on what I do, not what I don't.

- I have two full, sit-down meals with my family and sometimes friends as well, typically with appetizers, mains, the whole she-bang. No cellphones.

- I go to synagogue (when it is not closed due to COVID) and pray. They have a light meal after services where I socialize before going home and having a bigger meal.

- I go to the park and play with my daughter. Other Jewish families in my neighborhood often do the same, so we socialize while our kids play.

- I catch up on reading

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by oefrha »

bthallplz wrote: post #3

> New search results are calculated on Tuesday of each week. Nothing new is created during Shabbat. You are served static cached data. I've been interested in the idea of having a user-facing website that generates static copies of its dynamic content on a set schedule. Do any of you have more examples of this? About this particular search engine, though, the search results I received from it either were not very rel…

Frozen-Flask freezes a dynamic Flask app into a static site.

https://pythonhosted.org/Frozen-Flask/

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by archi42 »

nanna wrote: post #33
quenix wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least capitalism actually exists.

And Judaism, Islam and Christianity don't? Edit: If you believe in a religion, then religion exists in the most real sense possible, as that which guides your relation to the beginning and end of reality itself, God. If you don't believe, then religion exists in no more and no less of a sense as capitalism: it is a fiction which vast amounts of people believe in and live their lives by, and so it is real. Not in the…

This is an excellent comment, and I agree on the conclusion that either exists as much as the other.

However ;-), I dare to say your argument is weak: Assume "I believe in the apple on my desk". But you will find there is neither a fruit nor an Apple branded computer on my desk. So an outside observer is bound to believe I am going mad, hence my belief shapes my social relationship with others around me. Now does this make the apple as real as religion, which becomes real due to it's impact on social relationships? Or are people who let religion shape their social relationships as mad as I am? Or is the argument flawed? (edit: No, I can not answer these question).

Shapiro's "Thinking about mathematics" springs to my mind, IIRC in the first chapter(s) he gives a nice overview about what philosophers thought about numbers, the realm of numbers and whether they "exist" or not. I think some of that could be applied here. (And, generally, I think it's a great read for computer scientists & mathematicians interested in philosophy, as it gives a great overview across various different schools).

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by bJGVygG7MQVF8c »

rsynnott wrote: post #61
helge9210 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people or Jews I like the distinction you make here.

Inclusive or, I assume (from my limited understanding, Judaism considers some rules to only apply to Jews, so it would make sense to consider Jews and Gentiles separately here). Total side note, but I’ve noticed that programmers (including myself) are more prone to read English or as xor than, for want of a better term, normal people. Not sure why this is.

That's interesting. My observation is almost the reverse — the casual English default for "or" seems to be xor, and only people with some exposure to formal logic know it can be ambiguous.

I find some reinforcement for that in almost every logic book I've ever read using the casual English parsing of "or" to introduce the notion of inclusive or. But it's been a while, I may be misremembering.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by onyva »

emosenkis wrote: post #25

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

Also nothing to do with "Judaism", rather more of the ludicrousness of Eastern European rabbinical orthodoxy holier than though attitude that made them the most hated social group in Israel, mostly due to their blatant hypocrisy (i.e. object the legalization of prostitution in Israel, while they are the largest beneficiaries of it by percentage). Sort of kidnapped and suffocated to the death the essence of Judaism and reduced it into a cult.
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