I wonder how much of this is the Lizardman constant. Do people even exist who actually volunteer to be tracked in exchange for nothing?
Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
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Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same reason I enable telemetry in software I use - I want the system to be optimized for my usage pattern.
Except that tracking here is used for advertisment and not to give you a better service. Would you still accept it ?
Some people would rather have products they are interested in rather than products they aren't interested in
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#163I would say of 9% who gave consent the vast majority gave their consent through error, deceit or because they don't know what tracking really means and they wanted the service anyway. Why not outright outlaw opt-out tracking and be done with this silly state of things? There are legitimate uses of tracking and any company would still be able to provide it for the users, but you would have to have legally binding cont…
Tracking already has to be opt-in according the GDPR. The issue is that the GDPR is not enforced so sites get away with non-compliant consent prompts.
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
More a problem of enforcement than the legislation IMO. It wouldn't take many cases to be properly litigated before publishers would understand this is a law that is to be obeyed like any other.
I honestly don't trust governments/bureaucrats to be able to come up with a solution for this issue. This is one of those problems that evolves very quickly, and the solution probably needs to be done by a private company or by each person individually.
I have the complete opposite view. Companies provably can't be trusted on anything touching privacy, and individuals don't have any power to act on it. Governmental oversight and bureaucracy is the only tool that works for a problem like this.
It's a proven, efficient, and universally approved way to already enforce food, fire, travel safety and so on. It's only logical that privacy safety follows the same steps. GDPR seems to be a good approach for it, just pending on widespread enforcement of the rogue entities that aren't yet following the law.
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Losing a brand new hundred million dollar aircraft is a huge hit. Losing a 50 year old aircraft is a different story, especially when the options are to retire it or keep flying. Further risking a crash when your airline is facing bankruptcy suddenly looks like a reasonable trade off. It’s not like a major airline is going to intentionally crash an airplane, but if they can trade 1 billion dollars for an extra crash…
> Losing a brand new hundred million dollar aircraft is a huge hit. Losing a 50 year old aircraft is a different story A 50 year old aircraft still costs tens of millions, and the biggest cost of a crash is the lawsuits anyway. > especially when the options are to retire it or keep flying. 50 year old planes fly all the time. The options aren't retire it or keep flying, they're maintain it properly or don't. > Furthe…
Insurance on older aircraft much like older cars drops because their worth less.
Your lawsuit numbers are also wildly off. Ex: “The US aviation giant has settled the first in a series of lawsuits filed by families of 737 Max crash victims. Boeing will reportedly pay $1.2 million to 11 families of victims killed in the 2018 Lion Air crash.“ https://www.dw.com/en/boeing-settles-first-lawsuit-with-737-...
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s no tracer. Just a counter of how many said yes vs how many said no. There’s no personally identifiable information there
the downside of this method is that it is impossible to discard duplicated negative answers.
Functional cookies (e.g has displayed banner to this user) are fine, you don't need consent
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Losing a brand new hundred million dollar aircraft is a huge hit. Losing a 50 year old aircraft is a different story A 50 year old aircraft still costs tens of millions, and the biggest cost of a crash is the lawsuits anyway. > especially when the options are to retire it or keep flying. 50 year old planes fly all the time. The options aren't retire it or keep flying, they're maintain it properly or don't. > Furthe…
Insurance on older aircraft much like older cars drops because their worth less. Your lawsuit numbers are also wildly off. Ex: “The US aviation giant has settled the first in a series of lawsuits filed by families of 737 Max crash victims. Boeing will reportedly pay $1.2 million to 11 families of victims killed in the 2018 Lion Air crash.“ https://www.dw.com/en/boeing-settles-first-lawsuit-with-737-...
No they're not. That's what they're supposed to get. If courts don't actually give families that then the problem is in the court system, not the company.
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on the phone, but generally you can't protect yourself as well as on PC, because phones (sadly) are locked down devices running proprietary software. Best you can do is probably DNS-level blocking.
Firefox on Android with ublock works just fine.
Additionally, set Firefox to clear all data when selecting Quit from the menu. It's then easy enough to do a reset of any lingering bits every now and then.
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Verizon/Yahoo/Techcrunch is such a blatant offender, and especially noticable because they get posted here often. Their modal is a giant obfuscation dark-pattern, and far as I can tell, there is no way to opt out.
Which is why GDPR, although theoretically a good idea, is pretty much useless in practice. I'd like to see how many websites offer a reasonable consent widget that doesn't opt you in by default, keep nothing checking but a huge button to tick and accept, or the usual million-and-one checkboxes to untick, and many other cheap tricks that even the most vigilant of consumers will fall to at some point. I use everything…
Do seem to have a lot of downvotes, yes!
GDPR is about a lot more than the tracking stuff though, it is about the personal data companies hold and are responsible for, your permission to request it, the risk of fines if they don't comply. Whatever dark patterns they use for tracking logic, they are still bound to use best practice security on the personally-identifiable-information they may hold and may be fined if they do not. That is what GDPR is mostly about, as I see it.
Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Needing ad revenue and needing to track visitors are different things. Structurally obviously we are now in a situation where “well targeted ads” can generate some revenue, and “well behaved ads” barely can. The future has to be one where dumber ads pay more because tracking isn’t technically possible and/or illegal.
> The future has to be one where dumber ads pay more because tracking isn’t technically possible and/or illegal. The other option is that everything ad supported goes out of business because the ROI on dumb ads is negative. I don't want to sound like I know this for a fact, but I'd just like to point out that the future doesn't "have" to be anything. There are always multiple options.
> The other option is that everything ad supported goes out of business because the ROI on dumb ads is negative.
Yes by “has to be” I was expressing a personal desire and prediction, nothing else.
It’s probably not one or the other but somewhere in between.