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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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I can't find the exact quote but I think a comedian once said something along the lines of (large pinches of salt on the quote and whether it was said by a comedian): You think your god is all knowing, etc.. but at the same time stupid enough to fall for these work arounds

Halakhic Judaism isn't about faith or what God knows. It's about obeying laws ( Halakha [1]) made by people based on a God-given "constitution." Employing "loopholes" is fine -- it means you care about the law and try to obey it, which is the point. Worship is expressed not with faith but in a process of interpreting and creating laws and then following them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

It's more that for Judaism it seems God's laws are legal boundaries devoid of any ethical meaning. The important thing is to respect their letter, not their spirit.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

#53
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hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'? I find the whole concept quite interesting.

The major theme is that we are not allowed to do anything constructive/productive. Just as God stopped creating the world on the seventh day, we stop our part of making the world.

This is broken out into fine detail in the sources. There are 39 categories of work listed, covering agriculture, food production and cooking, textile production, building, and a few more.

When electricity came along there was a big debate among rabbis if its use comes under one of the existing categories or not. Nowadays among Orthodox Jews it's universally agreed that it does. This obviously wipes out a lot of modern life - not just the internet but even switching on lights, etc.

Reading, learning, eating lots of good food with the family, meeting friends, taking your kids to the park - all totally permitted.

As kids, yes it was sometimes annoying. But now it's amazing.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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post #51
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Halakhic Judaism isn't about faith or what God knows. It's about obeying laws ( Halakha [1]) made by people based on a God-given "constitution." Employing "loopholes" is fine -- it means you care about the law and try to obey it, which is the point. Worship is expressed not with faith but in a process of interpreting and creating laws and then following them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

It's more that for Judaism it seems God's laws are legal boundaries devoid of any ethical meaning. The important thing is to respect their letter, not their spirit.

I wouldn't say that they're devoid of ethical meaning but rather that their ethical meaning might be unknown or can only be speculated, and whose understanding, in any event, is not pertinent to keeping the letter of the law, which is the central tenet. What you do is what's important, not what you believe or think or even what God thinks. Once His laws were given to humankind, they're out of His hands. There's even a famous story [1] in the Talmud where God argues with the Rabbis over Halakha, and the Rabbis tell God that what they say should prevail because Torah was given to man, and God concedes. From Wikipedia:

> [T]he work of law is a work of human activity, and... the Torah itself supports this legal theory. The Torah is not a document of mystery which must have its innate meaning revealed by a minority, but it is instead a document from which law must be created through the human activity of debate and consensus

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oven_of_Akhnai

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

Jews exist outside of Israel. Saying that an organization with majority non Jews probably has no Jews working on it is bizarrely innumerate.

From: http://www.thebigquestions.com/2020/04/15/goofus-gallant-and...

>You have three pieces of meat, two kosher, one not. You lose track of which is which. Can you eat them? Answer, according to (my memory of Sternberg’s account of) the Talmud: Each individual piece of meat has a 2/3 chance of being kosher. So if you choose one of them and ask “Is this kosher?”, a “yes” answer gives you a 2/3 chance to be right and a “no” answer gives you only a 1/3 chance to be right. A 2/3 chance is better than a 1/3 chance, so you should say yes. Repeat three times and you’re allowed to eat all of the meat.

>There is much that is troubling here, because that strategy actually gives you a 100% chance of eating a non-kosher piece of meat, so it matters whether you inquire about each piece separately or whether you inquire about all three as a group. I’m not sure what principle the Talmud invokes to settle that issue. But that’s not the point that concerns us here. The point here is that we’re instructed to focus strictly on probabilities, without regard to any measure of how bad it would be to be wrong in either direction.

>You’re traveling to town with a left pocket full of coins designated for charity and a right pocket full of coins designated for your personal expenses. (In certain circumstances, you’re required to designate these coins in advance, and cannot substitute a coin from one pocket for a coin from the other, even if they’re otherwise identical.) You fall off your horse, and the coins all spill out into one great heap.

>If there were more coins in your left pocket to begin with, then each individual coin has a greater-than-fifty-percent chance to be a charity coin, so each individual coin must be given to charity. If there were more in your right pocket, you can spend all the coins on yourself.

>You take in an abandoned child. Should you raise him as a Jew? It depends on whether he was born as a Jew. Suppose you don’t have that information. Answer: If the majority of your neighbors are Jewish, you assume he’s Jewish. If not, not.

>(A later commentary amends this prescription by directing your attention not to the majority of your neighbors but to a majority of those neighbors who are of such character that they would abandon a child.)

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a gentile, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is borderline satire. You sound like Devin Nunes apoplectic about how it is not actually one of his farm animals criticizing him on twitter.

Sorry if I came across as apopleptic - I'm mostly not at all confident that most gentiles or secular Jews would readily identify it as satire - when I clicked on the link, I expected to see something real.

I'm hoping that it is something more warmer than satire, that the author is willingly embracing self aware absurdity. The whole thing, from the choice of domain name jewjewjew.com, with the ridiculous triple repetition, to me suggests a person with a wonderful and kind sense of humour. If that's not what this is, then it's something so strange I don't think I'm going to get my head around it.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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post #51
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Halakhic Judaism isn't about faith or what God knows. It's about obeying laws ( Halakha [1]) made by people based on a God-given "constitution." Employing "loopholes" is fine -- it means you care about the law and try to obey it, which is the point. Worship is expressed not with faith but in a process of interpreting and creating laws and then following them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

It's more that for Judaism it seems God's laws are legal boundaries devoid of any ethical meaning. The important thing is to respect their letter, not their spirit.

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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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post #41

hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'? I find the whole concept quite interesting.

What we can't do is to any acts of creation. So pushing a button and creating a circuit, building and many other things are forbidden. If something breaks we wait till Shabbat ends. Or if there is discomfort caused, in some cases we can hint or ask a non jew to fix it, turn off a light, ect. If a life is in danger we can and should do anything we can to save a life even if it means violating Shabbat. What we do do is go to Synagogue (when they aren’t closed for covid-19), eat meals with friends and/or family, visit people who have celebrations (new baby, or wedding ect), read and study. And no we don't "just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'" like it may appear to be on first glance as we know what we can and can't do.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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post #35

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

Jews exist outside of Israel. Saying that an organization with majority non Jews probably has no Jews working on it is bizarrely innumerate.

It's about the degree of certainty. OP isn't doing the work directly and hasn't hired them to specifically do it. They might not. They also are probably not Jewish. Two doubts and it's not a violation of a d'Rabbanan prohibition. (Note I am not orthodox nor a rabbi so this explanation may be mangled).

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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B&H Video is shut for a day every week but also disallows online checkout. I've always found that interesting, like the website is an extension of their beliefs. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/StoreInfo.jsp > Online Checkout Hours > Open 24/6 > Online checkout will be closed while we observe Shabbat from 8:15pm ET Fri until 9:45pm ET Sat. Although online ordering is unavailable, you may still add items…

They are orthodox Jews and are forbidden from doing business on the Sabbath.
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