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Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by Jaruzel »

abductee_hg wrote: post #12

hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'?

I find the whole concept quite interesting.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by masklinn »

mrweasel wrote: post #17
alangibson wrote: post #8

That's a lot of effort to do nothing. Does anyone know if there is some significance to it being calculated on Tuesday? Since Shabbat is from Friday to Saturday I would have picked Sunday or Monday.

Assuming everyone else don't work on the Shabbat, there should be nothing new to calculate on Sunday, compared to Thursday. You can't use the site on Friday to Saturday yourself, because Shabbat, so indexing on Thursday perhaps also doesn't make sense, because no one will see it before Saturday. Tuesday is sort of in between... It's weird, why not do the calculating all other days than Friday and Saturday?

> why not do the calculating all other days than Friday and Saturday?

Note that assuming UTC reference point you need to bleed into sunday: Kiribati is on UTC+14, and you need to wait until some time after sunset (stars should be visible).

Though that makes me wonder how shabbat works in northerly latitude, how does shabbat work within the arctic circle?

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by helge9210 »

emosenkis wrote: post #32
heisbsissi wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a gentile, it seems pretty obvious to me that this is borderline satire. You sound like Devin Nunes apoplectic about how it is not actually one of his farm animals criticizing him on twitter.

Sorry if I came across as apopleptic - I'm mostly not at all confident that most gentiles or secular Jews would readily identify it as satire - when I clicked on the link, I expected to see something real.

If there are kosher phone numbers, kosher internet, and plans to build kosher power plants, why not kosher search engine.

Whatever makes more money to issuers of kashrut compliance papers and kashrut inspectors.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by nix23 »

nanna wrote: post #28
joelbluminator wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They both have pros and cons. Entire wars were fought over the ideals of both, and both dominate their "believers everyday life.

Where would you argue a war exists today that does not have its roots in the economic domination of one group over another, and is purely fought on religious grounds?

Islamic State?

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by warrenpj »

helge9210 wrote: post #37
emosenkis wrote: post #25

As on Orthodox Jew, while I don't have anything against this and it sounds like a fun hobby project, I don't like that it misleads regarding what Jewish law actually requires. As several others have mentioned, there is absolutely no problem with keeping a server running on the sabbath - computers aren't Jews (Jewish law only expects Jews to keep the sabbath). If it's Jews working to generate the electricity (most "mo…

>people or Jews I like the distinction you make here.

I don't see the distinction.

The context is

>computers are not people or jews

Jews are a subset of people.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by pron »

reallydontask wrote: post #16

I can't find the exact quote but I think a comedian once said something along the lines of (large pinches of salt on the quote and whether it was said by a comedian): You think your god is all knowing, etc.. but at the same time stupid enough to fall for these work arounds

Halakhic Judaism isn't about faith or what God knows. It's about obeying laws (Halakha [1]) made by people based on a God-given "constitution." Employing "loopholes" is fine -- it means you care about the law and try to obey it, which is the point. Worship is expressed not with faith but in a process of interpreting and creating laws and then following them.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by llimos »

masklinn wrote: post #42
mrweasel wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming everyone else don't work on the Shabbat, there should be nothing new to calculate on Sunday, compared to Thursday. You can't use the site on Friday to Saturday yourself, because Shabbat, so indexing on Thursday perhaps also doesn't make sense, because no one will see it before Saturday. Tuesday is sort of in between... It's weird, why not do the calculating all other days than Friday and Saturday?

> why not do the calculating all other days than Friday and Saturday? Note that assuming UTC reference point you need to bleed into sunday: Kiribati is on UTC+14, and you need to wait until some time after sunset (stars should be visible). Though that makes me wonder how shabbat works in northerly latitude, how does shabbat work within the arctic circle?

Been there, done that. The commonly accepted ruling is to take the time that the sun is at its lowest point as simultaneous sunset/nightfall/midnight/dawn/sunrise (each of which has its own significance in Jewish law). So shabbat is from around midnight Friday to midnight Saturday.

It also means one can pray the afternoon, evening, and morning prayers one after the other.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by helge9210 »

warrenpj wrote: post #45
helge9210 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people or Jews I like the distinction you make here.

I don't see the distinction. The context is >computers are not people or jews Jews are a subset of people.

As non-jewish citizen of Israel I see this distinction every day. I'm surprised Orthodox Jew would admit it in the open.

Re: Kosher search engine powered by 4 car batteries on a passively cooled server

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Post by kenrose »

Jaruzel wrote: post #41
abductee_hg wrote: post #12

hmm, and here i was thinking that the Shabbat is to disconnect and unwind... you know get away from the constant notifications and such.

Ok. A serious question here: Can some HN Jews, enlighten me (a 100%-proof agnostic) on what they actually do on Shabbat? Are you allowed to use the internet? If something in your house breaks, are you not allowed to fix it? Do you just sit around gazing into space just in case something you do is classed as 'work'? I find the whole concept quite interesting.

For Sabbath observing Jews, “work” is defined as a certain set of 39 (?) activities that are defined in the bible and relating to building the “Mishkan”. Generations of Talmudic rabbis then added new interpretations and requirements on these rules to adapt for new technology. eg, the prohibition against using electricity is because it relates to igniting a spark, which is one of the 39 prohibited activities (Or “malakha”)

Internet? No

Something breaks, fix it? No

Sit around all day? No :)

For many that keep the Sabbath, the time is spent eating, praying, and studying and there’s somewhat of a schedule. Friday night: synagogue, then big ceremonious dinner. Saturday morning: Synagogue. Saturday afternoon: big ceremonious lunch and study or sleep. Saturday evening: back to synagogue again. It’s a pretty full day.

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