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Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Still, many web sites make it hard for their users to opt out tracking.

Or, they set their cookies first and then ask.

Or, they don't ask anything, and just set their cookies. (case in point: each and every status page by Atlassian Statuspage)

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Sorry, privacy as a personal responsibility has failed outright. For many services there is simply no (online, i.e. practically relevant) alternative, because none of the market players have an incentive to be privacy preserving (think major news outlets) or because the service is not interchangable due to network effects (facebook, twitter etc). The GDPR is actually sufficiently abstract IMO to make government enfor…

> For many services there is simply no (online, i.e. practically relevant) alternative, because none of the market players have an incentive to be privacy preserving (think major news outlets) or because the service is not interchangable due to network effects (facebook, twitter etc). But here's the big question: would these services have even existed in the first place if these laws had been in place? The internet h…

Most services existed before, with a variety of models. E.g. Both subscription and ad revenue based free news papers existed long before the internet.

Somehow they managed, without the need to track ones every move.

Would the internet look the same, with the same players and behaviours if these laws existed? No probably not. But I also don't think the internet is in a very desirable state.

Maybe, we would have had more invention and uaee acceptance in different ways to pay and consume services instead of this race to the bottom of cheap ads.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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I must say I'm really surprised. I'm a frontend developer and probably more keen to keep an eye on this stuff but there are lots of times where I just say yes because the popup is in-my-face and I just want to scroll to the content. I guess where the article falls flat is where the author says a "proper GDPR content banner" was implemented. No online publication will do this. At least they will trick you with button…

> but there are lots of times where I just say yes because the popup is in-my-face and I just want to scroll to the content. I am exactly the same. I use UBlock Origin and Privacy Badger so pretty much nothing gets through anyway but just to get rid of the banner, I click on OK. However, that being said, I only do it if the other choice is "Manage Preferences" or something equally vague: If I am given a clear yes-or-…

> I use UBlock Origin and Privacy Badger so pretty much nothing gets through anyway

And yet the cookie is still there and can be used to track you. They don't need to serve you adds to track you. A simple check for the presence of the cookie is enough to track.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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> And I'm really irritated that I can't access local news sites in America because they aren't compliant -- so they blanket ban European access. That's deeply problematic. The usual answer I get when I complain about this is either "It doesn't happen to me" or "They wanted to steal your data. You're better off without being able to use their site." I've yet to be convinced by either argument as a European. It's almos…

I personally see as usual business of the internet. Every country has their rights to regulate internal markets and every company need to decide how many markets to cover. Personally I like GDPR more than no-GDPR and think that it would be nice if the US had a GDPR compatible regulation (as in the EU and the US diplomatically agree that it is enough for US company to respect the US regulation and for European compani…

But it's not just local US news sites. Plenty of other businesses won't do business with Europeans as a result. Even video games shut down over this (Ragnarok online, I believe). But the real question is the signal GDPR sends - how many online businesses will simply not get created (especially in Europe) because of GDPR? The nebulousness of the situation is why I've decided to not create at least one website before. I'm sure the lack of my website is no loss for the world, but what about others?

And keep in mind that none of this will actually save your privacy. A Chinese service could steal all of your data, sell it, and nothing would happen because they're outside the jurisdiction of the EU. The only thing that will save your privacy is not giving out the information in the first place.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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The author's consent form is very simple and isn't using any shady UX tricks to get the user to consent. One action will opt you in, one action will opt you out. I wonder what results you would see for something like yahoo, the daily mail, reddit, or other sites that heavily rely on ad revenue, which attempt to force the user to accept the cookies through non-obvious no buttons, or long processes to opt out of cookie…

Non-obvious buttons? If the end user is dumb we shouldn't blame the companies.

Any contract should be a meeting of minds, not a cheating. So on the other end of the spectrum from manifestly dumb user is woefully deceitful company. The latter will make the button very small, low contrast, and place it in the middle of a wall of EULA text, and have it reject keyboard focus change so pressing TAB won't light upon it. I think we can blame that company.

The old-school equivalent was small print, and in many jurisdictions there are limitations to how small a font can be used (e.g. no smaller than half the main body size and no smaller than 8 point).

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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I honestly don't trust governments/bureaucrats to be able to come up with a solution for this issue. This is one of those problems that evolves very quickly, and the solution probably needs to be done by a private company or by each person individually.

In 2016, I think, there were 0 airplane crashes and 0 air travel fatalities. Across 200 countries, hundreds of airlines and several airplane manufacturers, probably thousands of airports, millions of flights. If you think that was an easy feat, then I don't know what to tell you. Do you know how it was achieved? With finely tuned and ruthlessly efficient bureaucracy. When people really care, bureaucracy works wonders…

"but it also prevents your pilot telling your copilot "Shut up!" just as the plane is about to crash into the mountain. "

I am curious? How does regulation prevents that?

(and how does it prevent a suicidal pilot, from locking out the co pilot and crashing in a mountain on purpose?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot

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Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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post #45

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In 2016, I think, there were 0 airplane crashes and 0 air travel fatalities. Across 200 countries, hundreds of airlines and several airplane manufacturers, probably thousands of airports, millions of flights. If you think that was an easy feat, then I don't know what to tell you. Do you know how it was achieved? With finely tuned and ruthlessly efficient bureaucracy. When people really care, bureaucracy works wonders…

> Do you know how it was achieved? With finely tuned and ruthlessly efficient bureaucracy. Not to dispute the effectiveness of a finely tuned and ruthlessly efficient bureaucracy, but pilots and airlines have a strong incentive to not have fatal accidents; websites however have a strong incentive to track their users. To use an analogy, enforcing this will be less like mandatory driving exams and more like net-zero c…

Airlines and airline manufacturers also have vast financial incentives to risk crashes by taking minor shortcuts. That doesn’t exist for your drivers test.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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I would go the other way with it -- the problem is we don't have a low overhead system for anonymous micropayments, so ads are the only competitive way to offer a service with a very low cost (and thus price) per use. If there was an easy way to anonymously pay the site the five cents they get from the advertiser without incurring 500% payment processing overhead then would sites even be using advertising? But then w…

I agree that it would massively help, but I don't think it would solve the entire problem. A lot of my interests online were cultivated as a kid where even a 10 cent charge would've made me click away. I'm sure it wouldn't have been an issue in highly developed countries, but it would've been a limiting factor for me.

So the model that works best for micropayments in most cases is exponentially decreasing prices over time. When the content is new it costs $1, in two months it costs $.50, in two months more it costs $.25, and so on down to zero, at which point it becomes free proof of the quality of your work to get people to pay for the newer stuff.

You can actually make more money using a pricing model like that, because you get to charge $1 to everyone who will pay $1 (everybody wants everything ASAP), but in a few months you still get the quarter from the guy who would only pay a quarter. And having a large volume of free old works to show the world you can produce good material is how you get new customers.

Which also solves the problem for people without money. (This is, incidentally, how copyright was originally intended to work. Screw you again, Mickey Mouse.)

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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The author's consent form is very simple and isn't using any shady UX tricks to get the user to consent. One action will opt you in, one action will opt you out. I wonder what results you would see for something like yahoo, the daily mail, reddit, or other sites that heavily rely on ad revenue, which attempt to force the user to accept the cookies through non-obvious no buttons, or long processes to opt out of cookie…

We should have GDPR settings in the browser.

We did, and now they're going away. The "Do Not Track" option is being removed from Safari because it is used (together with other fingerprinting techniques) to track individual users.
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