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Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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If allowed. NO Body, and I mean No Body wants to be tracked in any kind of way.

Sure I do. I opt into any kind of "voluntary user experience research" tracking that a lot of desktop apps offer. As long as a website does the same thing (and doesn't try to gather PII to tie it to my identity), I'm also open for it.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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post #61

If allowed. NO Body, and I mean No Body wants to be tracked in any kind of way.

This is nonsense. I mind Google data hoarding as much as everyone else, but if a website or app uses a Mixpanel type tool to see which features people use, then I don't think that's immediately evil.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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The author's consent form is very simple and isn't using any shady UX tricks to get the user to consent. One action will opt you in, one action will opt you out. I wonder what results you would see for something like yahoo, the daily mail, reddit, or other sites that heavily rely on ad revenue, which attempt to force the user to accept the cookies through non-obvious no buttons, or long processes to opt out of cookie…

Why would anyone consent to be tracked if given a real choice? What are the benefits? The 9% look like an error.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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GDPR opt-in questions train people to accept forms without reading or thinking. I think this will be dangerous. And I'm really irritated that I can't access local news sites in America because they aren't compliant -- so they blanket ban European access. That's deeply problematic.

> And I'm really irritated that I can't access local news sites in America because they aren't compliant -- so they blanket ban European access. That's deeply problematic. The usual answer I get when I complain about this is either "It doesn't happen to me" or "They wanted to steal your data. You're better off without being able to use their site." I've yet to be convinced by either argument as a European. It's almos…

I personally see as usual business of the internet. Every country has their rights to regulate internal markets and every company need to decide how many markets to cover.

Personally I like GDPR more than no-GDPR and think that it would be nice if the US had a GDPR compatible regulation (as in the EU and the US diplomatically agree that it is enough for US company to respect the US regulation and for European companies to respect the GDPR to be compliant under both). On the other hand as laws stands I appreciate that they take this law seriously, even if not in the way I would like most.

Overall I do not think that losing access to local US news sites warrants remaining in a GDPRless world

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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I would say that it means 9% of visitors "click away" any banner they see without reading it.

And usually clicking "yes" will do away the banner in the most hassle free way.

I am surprised the number is so low.

I surely click "Yes" on any banner immediately without reading it.

My guess is that the number was so low because his banner (by its simplicity) looked unusual enough that many people read it.

With the typical spammy pseudo consent banner, the number would probably be much higher. Even without dark patterns. People are just trained to click yes.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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Sorry, privacy as a personal responsibility has failed outright. For many services there is simply no (online, i.e. practically relevant) alternative, because none of the market players have an incentive to be privacy preserving (think major news outlets) or because the service is not interchangable due to network effects (facebook, twitter etc). The GDPR is actually sufficiently abstract IMO to make government enfor…

> For many services there is simply no (online, i.e. practically relevant) alternative, because none of the market players have an incentive to be privacy preserving (think major news outlets) or because the service is not interchangable due to network effects (facebook, twitter etc). But here's the big question: would these services have even existed in the first place if these laws had been in place? The internet h…

I would go the other way with it -- the problem is we don't have a low overhead system for anonymous micropayments, so ads are the only competitive way to offer a service with a very low cost (and thus price) per use.

If there was an easy way to anonymously pay the site the five cents they get from the advertiser without incurring 500% payment processing overhead then would sites even be using advertising?

But then we get to much the same result. What we need isn't new privacy rules, it's to delete the old banking rules that prevent efficient payment systems from operating.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't trust governments/bureaucrats to be able to come up with a solution for this issue. This is one of those problems that evolves very quickly, and the solution probably needs to be done by a private company or by each person individually.

In 2016, I think, there were 0 airplane crashes and 0 air travel fatalities. Across 200 countries, hundreds of airlines and several airplane manufacturers, probably thousands of airports, millions of flights. If you think that was an easy feat, then I don't know what to tell you. Do you know how it was achieved? With finely tuned and ruthlessly efficient bureaucracy. When people really care, bureaucracy works wonders…

The thing is, there isn't a huge commercial vested interest in having plane crashes happen.

Re: Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak for myself, but actually I go to the detailed cookie settings and unselect everything I'm not ok with. In particular, I unselect ga and Fb pixel because I believe the habit of collecting visit data at an all-seeing central site isn't worth it, and actually is the major characteristic of a dystopian future that hacker culture has always been opposed to. If the consent settings are rubbish, I don't bot…

It may be the German implementation is different in this regard, but IIRC the GDPR did not create a personal right; enforcement is solely at the discretion of the relevant authority. I thought that was intentional; as a way to limit frivolous lawsuits, but I'm no expert by any means - are you sure this is actually possible?

No I'm not very sure, IANAL. I just thought that "Abmahnen", for once, could actually be used for something useful when it was used to bother small sites for violating the German "Impressumspflicht" (duty to include press contact info on sites). I'm also not sure it can be legally excluded for GDPR specifically as it has been a staple of German "Rechtspflege" (procurement of law by private orgs) for a long time. I know there has been a relative recent change in jurisdiction where compensation for "Abmahnen" was denied when it wasn't carried out in good faith, but I don't believe GDPR violators can rely on that one for continuing malpractice. I also believe when GDPR was enacted in 2017, internet companies got an additional two year's period of bringing their sites into compliance.
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