And you will still have to pay full fees.
Us online tuition move hits foreign visas
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Re: Us online tuition move hits foreign visas
#12The title of this post could be improved a lot. "US to withdraw visas for students at completely online colleges" Aside from that, this is a dumb move, and going to potentially affect up to hundreds of thousands of students. If not in actual effect, then at least in perception and concern about whether the US is the place for them to study and want to contribute to. And moreover in the short term, basically incentivi…
It’s a dumb move if you see the impact on the students as a bad thing. If you want to make the US an unappealing place to emigrate to, and thus drive down immigration and please your nativists, then it’s a smart move. Based on the way the wind blows in US politics, this is a smart move. They could be even smarter, and once they’ve got the students out of the country, terminate their courses. There’s no way they’d eve…
But at what costs... Even if everything works as expected, the mid to long term cost will be ridiculously high (in term of money invested/spent, reputation, etc) just to satisfy a support base.
Re: Us online tuition move hits foreign visas
#13The title of this post could be improved a lot. "US to withdraw visas for students at completely online colleges" Aside from that, this is a dumb move, and going to potentially affect up to hundreds of thousands of students. If not in actual effect, then at least in perception and concern about whether the US is the place for them to study and want to contribute to. And moreover in the short term, basically incentivi…
There is a 0% chance that the universities don't respond to this and come up with some online/in-person mix to satisfy the visa requirements. International students are cash cows. In all honestly, this likely has little to do with international students and more the Trump administration purposefully forcing the universities hands. Just a theory.
I agree, this feels like the administration forcing universities to move back to in-person classes through economic incentives.
It's one thing to not grant any new student visas because international travel and relocation is iffy right now. And it's one thing to yank visas for international students that have gone home because of the pandemic. That's understandable. But this impacts students that are already in the US, have already paid tuition for the fall semester, and are essentially shoveling free money into the country.
It makes no sense whatsoever, unless as some kind of political bullshit play around "re-opening".
Re: Us online tuition move hits foreign visas
#14The title of this post could be improved a lot. "US to withdraw visas for students at completely online colleges" Aside from that, this is a dumb move, and going to potentially affect up to hundreds of thousands of students. If not in actual effect, then at least in perception and concern about whether the US is the place for them to study and want to contribute to. And moreover in the short term, basically incentivi…
It’s a dumb move if you see the impact on the students as a bad thing. If you want to make the US an unappealing place to emigrate to, and thus drive down immigration and please your nativists, then it’s a smart move. Based on the way the wind blows in US politics, this is a smart move. They could be even smarter, and once they’ve got the students out of the country, terminate their courses. There’s no way they’d eve…
> They could be even smarter, and once they’ve got the students out of the country, terminate their courses
I hope you were sarcastic there..
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a dumb move if you see the impact on the students as a bad thing. If you want to make the US an unappealing place to emigrate to, and thus drive down immigration and please your nativists, then it’s a smart move. Based on the way the wind blows in US politics, this is a smart move. They could be even smarter, and once they’ve got the students out of the country, terminate their courses. There’s no way they’d eve…
But at what costs... Even if everything works as expected, the mid to long term cost will be ridiculously high (in term of money invested/spent, reputation, etc) just to satisfy a support base.
I’m sure it’s a rounding error on the economic, social, and physical damage that was done by pretending COVID 19 was a liberal hoax for a month
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a dumb move if you see the impact on the students as a bad thing. If you want to make the US an unappealing place to emigrate to, and thus drive down immigration and please your nativists, then it’s a smart move. Based on the way the wind blows in US politics, this is a smart move. They could be even smarter, and once they’ve got the students out of the country, terminate their courses. There’s no way they’d eve…
But at what costs... Even if everything works as expected, the mid to long term cost will be ridiculously high (in term of money invested/spent, reputation, etc) just to satisfy a support base.
That depends entirely on your planning horizon. If you take a long term view, the cost is penurious. If you take a short term view (which our society is built around), then it’ll win you the next election, and nothing after that matters.
Nothing of modern politics is about building a better world or country for anyone - it’s just about winning at any cost.
Tactically, this move is canny. Strategically, it’s dire - but those setting the strategy will be dead of old age before it comes home to roost, so.
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#17It will be interesting to see how much of the pull of a US education is the education and how much is a Visa, American contacts and the "American lifestyle"...
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
But at what costs... Even if everything works as expected, the mid to long term cost will be ridiculously high (in term of money invested/spent, reputation, etc) just to satisfy a support base.
That depends entirely on your planning horizon. If you take a long term view, the cost is penurious. If you take a short term view (which our society is built around), then it’ll win you the next election, and nothing after that matters. Nothing of modern politics is about building a better world or country for anyone - it’s just about winning at any cost. Tactically, this move is canny. Strategically, it’s dire - bu…
I feel that explains how the US found itself in this mess.
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#19My immediate interpretation was that this is a play by the Executive Branch to pressure universities to maintain in-person classes in the coming semester.
Re: Us online tuition move hits foreign visas
#20My immediate interpretation was that this is a play by the Executive Branch to pressure universities to maintain in-person classes in the coming semester.
Not exactly. Trump and his base do not care about Universities, which are seen as "liberal." Universities becoming fully open does not help his base or the economy as a whole, and thus his re-election chances.
This is a move aimed at destabilizing or collapsing the higher educational system. If safety from the virus continues to be a concern (as seems likely for the foreseeable future), universities cannot just resume fully, no matter what. Caught between the Trump order and the virus, things will start going downhill.