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Academic acceleration in gifted youth: a 35-year longitudinal study

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There is no argument against academic acceleration beyond that it increases inequality of achievement. If the school system was about education more than childcare acceleration would be the norm for bright children and we’d have 14 year olds starting their Bachelor’s level studies in every school and 20 year olds who already had doctorates in every city of any size. Instead we waste their time, to their detriment and…

I've long wondered why education isn't just a bunch of different ladders that people can crawl at their own pace. For instance my kid is starting to read about stuff they normally only introduce in high school, but there's no way he will ever be examined on it until then (he's turning 8 in a few weeks). If someone wants to learn something, luckily these says we have the likes of Khan Academy and other internet resour…

The curriculum in New South Wales, Australia, is changing to be like this.

Students of a certain grade (and thus their teachers) are currently assessed on if they have a certain competency or not. This means a student coming into Year 7 (first year of high school) is expected to know all pre-requisites and is taught only the new content. Depending on which primary school they attended, and their own learning, this can be very hit-and-miss.

Now the intent is facilitate teaching students what they need to learn, but this becomes a lot harder to measure (and to measure the teachers).

A program called "Maths Pathways" is being used in some schools, that isn't tied directly to the new curriculum but is very similar in intent.

It's a computer based program which is self-paced and focuses on progression through the different ideas rather than teaching everyone the same thing this week.

Re: Academic acceleration in gifted youth: a 35-year longitudinal study

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There is no argument against academic acceleration beyond that it increases inequality of achievement. If the school system was about education more than childcare acceleration would be the norm for bright children and we’d have 14 year olds starting their Bachelor’s level studies in every school and 20 year olds who already had doctorates in every city of any size. Instead we waste their time, to their detriment and…

I wholeheartedly agree, and came out so disillusioned with the public education system that I'm struggling to decide what the right answer will be for my children. I understand that many kids are not this way, but I was the type that read physics textbooks while in elementary school. We had a mentorship program that paired kids with someone from two grades above (e.g. 1st graders with 3rd graders). My reading level w…

Have you looked into Montessori schools[1]?

I had the great pleasure of visiting a school based on that model and it allowed a lot of flexibility for students. In my instance there were 4+ hours of "Free-work" blocks everyday, where we could work on whatever we wanted, we just had to make sure we finished certain (personalised) workloads by the end of the week. Pacing and what we wanted to do with our time if we finished early was up to us as a student and we could work on more advanced topics. Students were also encouraged to ask older members of the mixed age class if we got stuck, which made most students quite good at explaining topics to each other while giving older or more advanced students something to do if they didn't want to advance further in their own studies.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education

Re: Academic acceleration in gifted youth: a 35-year longitudinal study

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I've long wondered why education isn't just a bunch of different ladders that people can crawl at their own pace. For instance my kid is starting to read about stuff they normally only introduce in high school, but there's no way he will ever be examined on it until then (he's turning 8 in a few weeks). If someone wants to learn something, luckily these says we have the likes of Khan Academy and other internet resour…

> I've long wondered why education isn't just a bunch of different ladders that people can crawl at their own pace. Just a guess: as far as I understood US parents are very good at lobbying schools administration, and a lot of them would hate to see that some kids are smarter or more advanced than theirs. Now regarding your ladder idea, in some cantons in Switzerland and some Bundesländer in Germany the school system…

When I grew up (in Malaysia) our high schools were like that: split into two general streams - arts/humanities streams and STEM streams.

The problem was there is a glamour to the STEM streams and so parents pushed kids towards that. If you got into the arts stream you were looked down upon

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> I've long wondered why education isn't just a bunch of different ladders that people can crawl at their own pace. Just a guess: as far as I understood US parents are very good at lobbying schools administration, and a lot of them would hate to see that some kids are smarter or more advanced than theirs. Now regarding your ladder idea, in some cantons in Switzerland and some Bundesländer in Germany the school system…

When I grew up (in Malaysia) our high schools were like that: split into two general streams - arts/humanities streams and STEM streams. The problem was there is a glamour to the STEM streams and so parents pushed kids towards that. If you got into the arts stream you were looked down upon

Yeah, we have similar issues with each lane becoming a way to judge people. And as a student you feel that you’re failing if you’re not in the one considered “the good one” by parents. I don’t know if that can be avoided.

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I wonder if they lack good ways of measuring this. I skipped a few grades and started university at 15. It took years to catch up socially and in many ways I never did. I wouldn't recommend it. In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at. Nobody's good at everything. However, that would have required individual attention of a…

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I wonder if they lack good ways of measuring this. I skipped a few grades and started university at 15. It took years to catch up socially and in many ways I never did. I wouldn't recommend it. In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at. Nobody's good at everything. However, that would have required individual attention of a…

i chose not to skip grades and not to go to college early, and looking back, that was probably the right decision for me. i needed the time with peers to mature socially and emotionally before venturing out into the world (i wasn’t a social outcast, so i wasn’t desperate to leave other than out of boredom). that’s not to say that i couldn’t have benefitted intellectually from acceleration. if i could have stayed with…

I think you're right. I did skip a grade and it was by far the worst mistake of my life. Going from a very well liked 1st grader to an outcast overnight was a crushing blow to my confidence. And it led to about 10 years of being constantly bullied and frequently friendless. While I adjusted fairly quickly to social life in college, it definitely had long term effects on my mental health.

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> “elite science, technology, engineering, and mathematics graduate students (N = 478) identified in 1992. Their educational histories were assessed at age 25 and they were followed up at age 50 using the same psychological assessments.” One thing to consider is the fact that America during the period 1992 to 2020, has seen a vast societal shift from nerds being seen as social outcasts to being seen as the thing a hu…

Any evidence to back up that "nerds are cool"?

Re: Academic acceleration in gifted youth: a 35-year longitudinal study

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I wonder if they lack good ways of measuring this. I skipped a few grades and started university at 15. It took years to catch up socially and in many ways I never did. I wouldn't recommend it. In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at. Nobody's good at everything. However, that would have required individual attention of a…

> In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at.

I'd give the opposite advice: when a kid is genuinely in love with learning something, try to never say "be more well rounded" or other things that the kid could construe as being against that starry-eyed love.

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I wonder if they lack good ways of measuring this. I skipped a few grades and started university at 15. It took years to catch up socially and in many ways I never did. I wouldn't recommend it. In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at. Nobody's good at everything. However, that would have required individual attention of a…

> In retrospect, I'd say a better thing to do with a smart kid is to convince them that they should work on things they're not as good at. I'd give the opposite advice: when a kid is genuinely in love with learning something, try to never say "be more well rounded" or other things that the kid could construe as being against that starry-eyed love.

What about a student who excels in some areas but is bad at writing, or has trouble making friends, or doesn't understand much about politics and stuff that goes on in the world (you can probably tell I didn't spend much time in high school, but you get the idea)

Chemistry is something which one can get by not knowing. A lot of other stuff learned at school, not so much.

Re: Academic acceleration in gifted youth: a 35-year longitudinal study

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If only not sleeping well and boredom were the only issues. Being born in a post communist country, teachers here have a really powerful position, work used to be scarce, parenting is... Different, and thus my parents placed way too big importance on school. School has ruined my childhood, robbed me of all joy for more than a decade, made it very hard to have (and trust) normal human relationships, made me seriously…

Oh yes, teachers in post communist countries can be separated into two groups: * majority that's absolutely horrible at their job, whose only goal is to average all the children. Hammer down nails that stick out, and artificially inflate grades of struggling children without helping them at all. * few great motivated teachers, who are genuinely great. Usually the latter ones were part of protests, or some anti commun…

I had one good PE teacher, this wasn't in a post communist country though.

He just asked us at the beginning of the year what we wanted to do, we all replied that we wanted to do 5-a-side football indoors so he organized that.

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