The virtue of reusing an old system is somewhat eroded by the fact that its noise and power consumption exceed that of a more powerful Pi 3 B+, which can be had for $50-60 with case and power supply (circa 2020). I see little advantage in keeping the old hardware around anymore. I think I still have some old ISA cables downstairs in a box - high time to acknowledge to myself that I will NEVER use those again.
Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
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Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#42Modern days Linux kernel requires a bootloader, as seen in the video. In the old days, you could dd the kernel to the floppy disk and use rdev to point to the root partition to start after loading the kernel.
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#43I wonder how well it works. If you take an x86_64 system and make a memory control group with only 32MB of memory (and kmem tracking is enabled, which is true by default) the container will OOM right away. I've been operating under the belief that Linux now requires 64MB at a minimum, but perhaps a 32-bit uniprocessor build can get by with less.
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#44I wonder how well it works. If you take an x86_64 system and make a memory control group with only 32MB of memory (and kmem tracking is enabled, which is true by default) the container will OOM right away. I've been operating under the belief that Linux now requires 64MB at a minimum, but perhaps a 32-bit uniprocessor build can get by with less.
You're probably being killed (in part) by the default stack sizes, which is much larger on x86_64.
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#45The virtue of reusing an old system is somewhat eroded by the fact that its noise and power consumption exceed that of a more powerful Pi 3 B+, which can be had for $50-60 with case and power supply (circa 2020). I see little advantage in keeping the old hardware around anymore. I think I still have some old ISA cables downstairs in a box - high time to acknowledge to myself that I will NEVER use those again.
I guess it depends on if noise and power are your primary considerations. For some, they'd rather not see a useful machine take up space in a landfill, leech toxins into the environment, and simultaneously drive unneeded demand for the production of yet another computer. I guess one would have to do the math and figure out what the environmental impact of a new Pi 3 B+ is. Or they could figure out if the increased el…
Alternative uses for a 486 case - make a planter box, bird house or a bee hive. https://www.instructables.com/id/Computer-case-beehive/
Alternative uses for 486 mobo - incorporate it into furniture design, cut it up to create a wind chime, create stuff like that to avoid the landfill. :)
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#46The virtue of reusing an old system is somewhat eroded by the fact that its noise and power consumption exceed that of a more powerful Pi 3 B+, which can be had for $50-60 with case and power supply (circa 2020). I see little advantage in keeping the old hardware around anymore. I think I still have some old ISA cables downstairs in a box - high time to acknowledge to myself that I will NEVER use those again.
https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/12/c...
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#47I wonder how well it works. If you take an x86_64 system and make a memory control group with only 32MB of memory (and kmem tracking is enabled, which is true by default) the container will OOM right away. I've been operating under the belief that Linux now requires 64MB at a minimum, but perhaps a 32-bit uniprocessor build can get by with less.
What are you putting in your container? A trivial container with non-bloated userspace should not take nearly that much memory.
# cd /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/
# mkdir lol-hackernewses
# cd lol-hackernewses
# echo 32000000 > memory.limit_in_bytes
# echo $$ > tasks
# find / > /dev/null
Killed
Memory cgroup stats for /lol-hackernewses:
anon 135168
file 11567104
kernel_stack 0
slab 19771392
sock 0
shmem 0
file_mapped 0
file_dirty 0
file_writeback 0
anon_thp 0
inactive_anon 0
active_anon 94208
inactive_file 5517312
active_file 5881856
unevictable 0
slab_reclaimable 19075072
slab_unreclaimable 696320
pgfault 14817
pgmajfault 2376
workingset_refault 25773
workingset_activate 3465
workingset_nodereclaim 0
pgrefill 969886
pgscan 971861
pgsteal 50508
pgactivate 913407
pgdeactivate 969886
pglazyfree 0
pglazyfreed 0
thp_fault_alloc 0
thp_collapse_alloc 0Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recent versions of Debian require a 686. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.en.html#...
also, this video features a 486 cpu because linux dropped 386 support a while ago. https://www.zdnet.com/article/good-bye-386-linux-to-drop-sup...
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#49I remember the hard drive was too big to boot from directly, there was some bootloader that could run from the floppy disk then finish booting from the hard drive.
It also had this horrible sound card/cd-rom combo controller that I never was able to make work in linux
Re: Booting a 486 from floppy with the most up-to-date stable Linux kernel
#50The virtue of reusing an old system is somewhat eroded by the fact that its noise and power consumption exceed that of a more powerful Pi 3 B+, which can be had for $50-60 with case and power supply (circa 2020). I see little advantage in keeping the old hardware around anymore. I think I still have some old ISA cables downstairs in a box - high time to acknowledge to myself that I will NEVER use those again.
You should develop the creativity to do something completely useless with everything. https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2018/12/c...