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Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by oefrha »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

> What is it with the appetite for outrage?

Outrage and canned evangelical responses require very little effort and rake in the easy karma. Way easier to scream "Firefox" under every post about every other browser than trying to understand a technical issue.

Just look at the heaviest thread (now apparently downweighted by mods). A whopping 86 responses later, can you learn anything from it? Other than the root comment providing some context, I can hardly find anything of value that's not been repeated every single day on this site.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

GloriousKoji wrote: post #177
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft might not be the worst choice simply because their business model doesn't revolve around monetizing my personal information. Yet they seem intent on collecting as much data as possible.

At least I know some of it will be used in an attempt to make their product's UI better for the user. Compared to google which continues to make their UI more hostile to users with each iteration.

I don't know why you would assume that Microsoft uses their ill-gotten user information to make their UX better and Google to make theirs worse. Is it just because Microsoft's products' UX cannot be made any worse?

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by smt88 »

pschastain wrote: post #142
smt88 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the advantage of Braver over Firefox? Is it just that you're trying to get ad blocking on iOS?

I don't use IOS (yet) so "no" on that front. I tried Brave and was happy with it until these recent revelations, so upon hearing about Braver I simply decided to keep an eye on it.

Firefox with gorhill's uBlock (search GitHub for official links, because there are imposters) is less buggy than Brave. I highly recommend it.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by pixelatedindex »

modzu wrote: post #175
blocked_again wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know Brave is built on top of Chromium which is funded by Google right? I won't call a browser that relies so much on Google as a sustainable alternative to Chrome.

same can be said for Firefox though (+300 million a year comes from google): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation#Financing

The browser rendering engine for Firefox (Gecko) is independent from Chromium, and as such isn't really reliant on Google. Mozilla's reliance on Google is solely for displaying Google as the default search engine.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by Can_Not »

catalogia wrote: post #101
AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

> What is it with the appetite for outrage? It pretty obviously has a lot to do with Brendan Eich.

And obviously the flaws in thr product itself...

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by basch »

justapassenger wrote: post #178
basch wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a very different ad tech company. Not only is it opt in, but all the ad matching happens locally. 1) The browser periodically downloads an ad catalog (signal in, no signal out). 2) The browser now holds (1) the ad catalog (with some targeting keywords and terms set by advertisers); (2) your browsing history. 3) It then matches the ads from the catalog against your browsing history.

4) They're actually adware

An opt-in feature to have your notification center fill with ads, and be paid for it. Currently its not hard to get $10/m.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by pkulak »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

It's a company who's business model is to fork an existing project and use it to remove advertising from content creators and replace it with their own, founded and led by an asshole. I'm not outraged, but I've long since stopped giving Brave any benefit of the doubt.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by Normille »

gorhill wrote: post #157
pmoriarty wrote: post #156

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I use uMatrix to block scripts on certain domains. I used to use NoScript for this, but switched to uMatrix when I found that it gave me much more fine-grained control over what to allow or block. For ad-blocking, I supplement uMatrix with uBlock Origin. It has its own block lists that it perodically On top of that, I use privoxy as an http proxy. Unfortunately, it can't filter https. Yet another part of my defense i…

> I use uMatrix to block scripts on certain domains. [...] For ad-blocking, I supplement uMatrix with uBlock Origin. As the author of both uBO and uMatrix, I don't understand the need to use uMatrix to block scripts when already using uBO, since uBO can do the same. Even better, uBO supports replacing certain blocked scripts with a local, neutered version (to lower likelihood of site breakage), something which become…

Off-topic, but seeing as we've got gorhill here:

Any plans to update uMatrix so it behaves nicer on mobile? The popup interface resists pinch-to-zoom and the text is so small as to be literally illegible on mobile devices. So I can't read the various domains to decide which ones I want to block or permit!

[uBlock Origin was recently updated to make it more mobile friendly. Although, ironically, out of the two, it was already more usable on mobile as it was possible to zoom and pan round the interface.]

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Post by anonymousDan »

blocked_again wrote: post #144
anonymousDan wrote: post #84

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Ya I find the outright hatred for Brave on HN a bit bizarre. The more sustainable alternatives we have to Google Chrome hegemony the better IMHO. I say this as both a FF and Brave user.

You do know Brave is built on top of Chromium which is funded by Google right? I won't call a browser that relies so much on Google as a sustainable alternative to Chrome.

Yes but they are at least trying to explore an alternative business model that doesn't fundamentally rely on hoovering up every bit of data there is to know about you without you even being aware most of the time (scepticism of cryotocurrencies aside).
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