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Re: Silicon Valley Elite Discuss Journalists Having Too Much Power in Private App

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Post by tossmeout »

ciarannolan wrote: post #6

> On Wednesday night, the topic of conversation was Lorenz herself, who had been listening earlier in the conversation but left partway through. After she left, the participants began discussing whether Lorenz was playing "the woman card" when speaking out about her harassment following a Twitter altercation with Srinivasan. > "You can't fucking hit somebody, attack them and just say, 'Hey, I have ovaries and therefo…

I fail to see how any of the quotes you provided are nasty or lack self-awareness.

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Post by gonehome »

This article is missing some of the critical context that lead to this from Twitter.

Summarized here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-July-2020-Twitter-spat-bet...

I think Taylor comes across extremely negatively here and the spin in this Vice article just makes it worse.

Basically Taylor puts up a mean tweet about the Away CEO’s comments on the media (without actually engaging in the content of those comments).

Balaji responds to the tweet with the same wording Taylor used, but directed at Taylor herself (to point out the meanness).

Taylor tweets a cropped response image of only Balaji’s response and plays victim, rallying media people behind her (things escalate) - eventually they surreptitiously record this clubhouse conversation and write a hit piece without taking any responsibility for anything.

It’s all very high school and the journalists come across extremely negatively to me. If anything this proves Balaji’s point.

I should spend less time on Twitter.

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Post by ianmobbs »

tossmeout wrote: post #11
ciarannolan wrote: post #6

> On Wednesday night, the topic of conversation was Lorenz herself, who had been listening earlier in the conversation but left partway through. After she left, the participants began discussing whether Lorenz was playing "the woman card" when speaking out about her harassment following a Twitter altercation with Srinivasan. > "You can't fucking hit somebody, attack them and just say, 'Hey, I have ovaries and therefo…

I fail to see how any of the quotes you provided are nasty or lack self-awareness.

Can you read?

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Post by tqi »

One thing I noticed when browsing the twitter thread where Taylor Lorenz tweeted about Balaji Srinivasan was the consistency of responses. Every single response from a verified journalist defended Lorenz and condemned the Srinivasan tweet, and every single response from a tech person defended Srinivasan and pointed to Lorenzs own tweet about Stephanie Korey.

As far as I saw, neither side engaged with the other's arguments, and the battle lines were drawn with remarkable consistency.

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Post by claudeganon »

cameronbrown wrote: post #8
wnevets wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, I would argue that journalists don't understand that their role requires objectivity Based on what? Objectivity hasn't been required since the printing press was invented

It's required because a democratic society relies on a healthy press. These are supposed to be scholars, with a code of ethics, dedicated to documentation. Journalists are not supposed to actually interfere in the system they are observing (e.g. by calling for de-platforming) because then they go from being journalists to being activists. Edit: To be clear, I have no problem with newspapers including opinion articles…

Was Edward R. Murrow an activist?

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Post by makomk »

mtgp1000 wrote: post #4

>The call shows how Silicon Valley millionaires, who have been coddled by the press and lauded as innovators and disruptors, fundamentally misunderstand the role of journalism the moment it turns a critical eye to their industry. No, I would argue that journalists don't understand that their role requires objectivity, and that the whole industry is broken because it has been completely dominated by ideologues, top to…

Journalists have long been a self-aggrandizing bunch who think that the only people who'd ever dislike or distrust them are evildoers up to something dubious, though I agree the aggressive social justice activism is new.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

The writer of this article is a journalist, so the portrayal may be less than fair.

That being said, and speaking generally (not about VCs or rich people in particular), something is going terribly wrong when a private person can be publicly shamed in the press 15 years from now for doing something that is completely normal and socially acceptable today, and lose their job as a result.

Re: Silicon Valley Elite Discuss Journalists Having Too Much Power in Private App

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Post by sjg007 »

cameronbrown wrote: post #8
wnevets wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, I would argue that journalists don't understand that their role requires objectivity Based on what? Objectivity hasn't been required since the printing press was invented

It's required because a democratic society relies on a healthy press. These are supposed to be scholars, with a code of ethics, dedicated to documentation. Journalists are not supposed to actually interfere in the system they are observing (e.g. by calling for de-platforming) because then they go from being journalists to being activists. Edit: To be clear, I have no problem with newspapers including opinion articles…

Huh? Editorial boards express opinions all the time. The news has never been about documentation, there's always been too much to document.
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