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I don’t get the name Brave, for a browser whose supposed purpose is hiding data and keeping private. That should be called fucking Coward.

A brave browser for brave people would be one that pushes out as much data as possible, silently clicks every ad, allows all kinds of fingerprints and cookies.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#132

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

Brave on Android still includes phone model in the user agent string which is terrible for privacy. There's been an open GitHub issue for over a year at this point, I think. It doesn't appear to be a priority to fix, despite being a massive low hanging fruit for improved privacy.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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I did run a company and I feared making mistakes. In principle the best way to avoid making kinds of mistakes your users will hate you for is to put user interest first. By looking at Brave's profile I can not say they are living by that principle 100%. For example, the decision to hijack links to insert their own affiliate links is not a mistake, it was a decision. These kind of decisions are not made by a developer…

Putting your users interest first needs to be balanced with remaining profitable so you can keep existing. It's hard to put your user interest first when you don't exist anymore. This is why Firefox decided for example to support non-free mp4 or EME (DRM), even though it goes against their mission of supporting the open web. They decided that not supporting these features would kill their market share, relevance and…

> Putting your users interest first needs to be balanced with remaining profitable so you can keep existing.

Although this can be a sound principle for many, I do not agree with it. Brave is not 'entitled' in any way nor should the world bend to make Brave possible. It's a company like any other, with a product like any other and with, IMO, questionable leadrship principles demonstrated over and over again. The market will 'price' it accordingly in terms of market share.

If I was to build a browser (which btw I am doing) I would put 100% user interest first, at the price of not succeeding in the market. That is the only way I could sleep well at night.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#135

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I've disliked Brave from the beginning. Initially because of the pretentious - and frankly appropriated - name, but now for the much more substantive reasons you've cited. Seriously, if you want a browser that gives you control over your data and privacy, use Firefox. It doesn't do any of this shady nonsense.

How can I get these two features on Firefox: 1. Block scripts on certain domains 2. Block ads & tracking (including on Android) Those are my favorite Brave features. How do I get them on Firefox?

Answering my own question, Firefox Android allows Add-Ons. So installing uBlock Origin for ad blocking and NoScript Security Suite for script blocking was trivial. So far so good, curious to see how it plays out...

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've disliked Brave from the beginning. Initially because of the pretentious - and frankly appropriated - name, but now for the much more substantive reasons you've cited. Seriously, if you want a browser that gives you control over your data and privacy, use Firefox. It doesn't do any of this shady nonsense.

How can I get these two features on Firefox: 1. Block scripts on certain domains 2. Block ads & tracking (including on Android) Those are my favorite Brave features. How do I get them on Firefox?

Install "uBlock Origin" add-on, with "I am advanced user" enabled. And/or "uMatrix" for more fine-grained control.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've disliked Brave from the beginning. Initially because of the pretentious - and frankly appropriated - name, but now for the much more substantive reasons you've cited. Seriously, if you want a browser that gives you control over your data and privacy, use Firefox. It doesn't do any of this shady nonsense.

How can I get these two features on Firefox: 1. Block scripts on certain domains 2. Block ads & tracking (including on Android) Those are my favorite Brave features. How do I get them on Firefox?

On mobile: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fe... + enable the extention "uBlock Origin" in the settings (not sure the exact steps while writing this, sorry)

On desktop: regular Firefox + https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...

In uBlock Origin, there is a setting that disables Javascript by default (which I use). You can then enable it temporarily or permanently on a per-site basis.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#138

This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

People fundamentally [1] dislike Brave, so this is just another opportunity to rap on it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22510008

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

#139

They are an adtech company. That should be all we need to know, right? I'm willing to change my mind, so far it doesn't make sense to use Brave.

> That should be all we need to know, right? Not really, their whole proposition is to do ads in a privacy respecting way, and you always have the option to just turn them off entirely. The payments model they have for websites is my favorite thing about the browser and I'd love to see more models like it catch on. Giving the ability to easily fund content creators by just filling up your wallet periodically (without…

Hmm, that's a good point. I wish a non-adtech company created a "pay publishers" tool.

Re: Brave Browser, wiping history still leaves trace of visited sites

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Your first link is about Firefox studies. I had never heard of these before, but when I go to about:studies, I see that I have never participated in any studies, and when I click the link from that page to "Firefox data collection and use" setting, I see that I am opted out from everything. Pretty sure I didn't do that manually. Your second link is to a page called "Firefox health report". I have no idea what conclus…

> but when I go to about:studies, I see that I have never participated in any studies Are you in the US? I also have not participated in any studies but in the preferences it is marked as active. My guess would be that they either run very few of them or are restricted to the US.

No, Vietnam.
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