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“Industrial Society and its Future”: the writings of the Unabomber

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post #10

The guy was a fruit cake and his manifesto is nonsense scapegoating, just because technology can create some problems does not mean thats the unibombers point, he didn't have one and his manifesto shows that.

>fruit cake That's a homophobic slur.

For about a hundred years it has also been pretty commonly used as a slur for mentally ill people.

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Some people here can't seem to separate ideas from the person who generates them, and that is sad. You can hate what a person did and still try to understand why they did it. That does not equate to support for them. It's this kind of closed-mindedness that is driving people apart all over the world.

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post #20

He murdered people to publicize his manifesto. I feel that if I were to read it, I would be encouraging others to kill to get their views known. So I won't be reading it, regardless of its merits.

Do you think you are doing your part to discourage future murderers from publishing manifestos? It's hard for me to follow the logic of how what you describe works.

1) they declare that this is not okay and they won't be reading anything like it

2) people reading the comment will think "maybe this is not the way to make people read my stuff"

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post #20

He murdered people to publicize his manifesto. I feel that if I were to read it, I would be encouraging others to kill to get their views known. So I won't be reading it, regardless of its merits.

Do you think you are doing your part to discourage future murderers from publishing manifestos? It's hard for me to follow the logic of how what you describe works.

While just not reading it likely has no effect, making this public post about it might dissuade others from reading and discourage manifesto publishing.

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First, this post title is worded like clickbait. (edit: it has been updated) Second, can someone suggest alternative readings for those of us who don't want to give attention to work that was publicized via terrorism and murder?

Jacques Ellul (read his "La Technique" first - don't start with "Propaganda" which builds on it):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23746429

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

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I was stuck by this passage from an interview (https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-an-int...):

> In living close to nature, one discovers that happiness does not consist in maximizing pleasure. It consists in tranquility. Once you have enjoyed tranquility long enough, you acquire actually an aversion to the thought of any very strong pleasure—excessive pleasure would disrupt your tranquility.

> Finally, one learns that boredom is a disease of civilization. It seems to me that what boredom mostly is is that people have to keep themselves entertained or occupied, because if they aren’t, then certain anxieties, frustrations, discontents, and so forth, start coming to the surface, and it makes them uncomfortable. Boredom is almost nonexistent once you’ve become adapted to life in the woods. If you don’t have any work that needs to be done, you can sit for hours at a time just doing nothing, just listening to the birds or the wind or the silence, watching the shadows move as the sun travels, or simply looking at familiar objects. And you don’t get bored. You’re just at peace.

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#28

He murdered people to publicize his manifesto. I feel that if I were to read it, I would be encouraging others to kill to get their views known. So I won't be reading it, regardless of its merits.

The guy literally mentions this in first paragraph. Obama, lenin, raegan etc everyone killed people. Does this mean you'll stop acknowledging their existence?

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post #23

Some people here can't seem to separate ideas from the person who generates them, and that is sad. You can hate what a person did and still try to understand why they did it. That does not equate to support for them. It's this kind of closed-mindedness that is driving people apart all over the world.

it's also what leads to banning books and wanting to whitewash language

Re: “Industrial Society and its Future”: the writings of the Unabomber

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The guy was a fruit cake and his manifesto is nonsense scapegoating, just because technology can create some problems does not mean thats the unibombers point, he didn't have one and his manifesto shows that.

that's a reductionist view one would take away when not reading his work and just watching or reading what others say about the man or from shallow good-guys-bad-guys narratives the Netflix "documentary" pushes. Even Bill Joy thought that the dangers of Tech were real. Kaczinsky just reacted differently. In fact he didn't just "react". he "acted" - which if you have read Jacques Ellul and agree with Ellul you know th…

I mean, you say im reductionist and then describe someone that based his life believes on a book, thats a fruit cake.

He then decided to blow people up because they got too close with their fancy technology... a road, double fruit cake.

What was his point beyond technology bad? The only thing you mention is that Jacques Ellul had the arguments and he was just a fruit cake, which was my argument.

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