Is It Okay to Go to the Beach? • Hacker News Board

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by uwuwuwu » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:03 AM UTC

daddy_ wrote: post #10

uwuwuwu wrote: post #7

Would be ok if everyone was wearing a mask. You go to the bathroom, cough cough, you go to the restaurant, cough cough, and you're driving back home with your friends in the car, cough cough. If we tried to reduce infection during these occasions, there maybe wasn't even a need for much lock-down. Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over.…

Wow, we’re really caught up in yelling at each other. Seems convenient for the people in charge of our response over the past six months and the organizations that have spent decades preparing for pandemics.

I didn't mean to yell - I'm simply astonished. A mask costs like 0.15€ or 0.17$ (based on Taiwans price with overall comparable price levels in Germany). Two masks a week, that cost is next to nothing.

I think the response in Germany is quite good compared to many others.

My main issue is: we compromise on having some infections and deaths, rather than compromising on wearing a mask.

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by reilly3000 » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:15 AM UTC

Being at the beach does not seem to be much of a threat, but going to the beach is a different story. Cramped, less than sanitary public restrooms, crowded food stands, parking kiosks that rarely get cleaned- this all adds up to lots of contact. Sweat is an interesting substrate which doesn’t get a lot of airtime, as are shared beverage containers.

There are worse things than going to the beach, but when hundreds of thousands of people go to them at once, things most certainly get transmitted. I shudder to think how much gets transmitted at Venice Beach on a normal day, let alone in a pandemic.

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by taejo » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:29 AM UTC

Rapzid wrote: post #9

aeternum wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible that the Atlantic employs multiple writers that don't all share the same set of opinions?

It's just as likely they run op-eds from authors willing to have whatever opinion is necessary. The business of op-ed and analysis pieces is pretty crappy, and it does not require any moral or intellectual honesty from the authors.

The author of this piece, Zeynep Tufekci (https://twitter.com/zeynep), has had a pretty consistent viewpoint throughout the epidemic: she called for early response, early mask wearing (when most western authorities were advising against it) and co-authored a review on the topic (https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1), and has consistently said that closing outdoor public spaces is a mistake. Whether she's wrong or right, she's not just writing what the Atlantic's editors tell her to.

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by mns » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:49 AM UTC

uwuwuwu wrote: post #11

daddy_ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, we’re really caught up in yelling at each other. Seems convenient for the people in charge of our response over the past six months and the organizations that have spent decades preparing for pandemics.

I didn't mean to yell - I'm simply astonished. A mask costs like 0.15€ or 0.17$ (based on Taiwans price with overall comparable price levels in Germany). Two masks a week, that cost is next to nothing. I think the response in Germany is quite good compared to many others. My main issue is: we compromise on having some infections and deaths, rather than compromising on wearing a mask.

What are you talking about? Everyone wears a mask in Germany in closed spaces and public transport. I haven't seen a single person not do it and it's already part of daily life. I don't understand the point here?

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by mcntsh » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:55 AM UTC

uwuwuwu wrote: post #7

Would be ok if everyone was wearing a mask. You go to the bathroom, cough cough, you go to the restaurant, cough cough, and you're driving back home with your friends in the car, cough cough. If we tried to reduce infection during these occasions, there maybe wasn't even a need for much lock-down. Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over.…

> Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over. It's preventive, so you need to wear a mask before sth happens.

There were 140 new cases in Germany yesterday in a country of 83 million. In my city of 3,5 million there were 17 new cases. At what point would you say it's safe to not wear a mask in stores?

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by uwuwuwu » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 8:59 AM UTC

mns wrote: post #14

uwuwuwu wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't mean to yell - I'm simply astonished. A mask costs like 0.15€ or 0.17$ (based on Taiwans price with overall comparable price levels in Germany). Two masks a week, that cost is next to nothing. I think the response in Germany is quite good compared to many others. My main issue is: we compromise on having some infections and deaths, rather than compromising on wearing a mask.

What are you talking about? Everyone wears a mask in Germany in closed spaces and public transport. I haven't seen a single person not do it and it's already part of daily life. I don't understand the point here?

Meck Pomm country wants to get rid of wearing masks.

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 9:00 AM UTC

uwuwuwu wrote: post #7

Would be ok if everyone was wearing a mask. You go to the bathroom, cough cough, you go to the restaurant, cough cough, and you're driving back home with your friends in the car, cough cough. If we tried to reduce infection during these occasions, there maybe wasn't even a need for much lock-down. Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over.…

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Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 9:01 AM UTC

uwuwuwu wrote: post #16

mns wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? Everyone wears a mask in Germany in closed spaces and public transport. I haven't seen a single person not do it and it's already part of daily life. I don't understand the point here?

Meck Pomm country wants to get rid of wearing masks.

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Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by uwuwuwu » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 9:03 AM UTC

mcntsh wrote: post #15

uwuwuwu wrote: post #7

Would be ok if everyone was wearing a mask. You go to the bathroom, cough cough, you go to the restaurant, cough cough, and you're driving back home with your friends in the car, cough cough. If we tried to reduce infection during these occasions, there maybe wasn't even a need for much lock-down. Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over.…

> Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over. It's preventive, so you need to wear a mask before sth happens. There were 140 new cases in Germany yesterday in a country of 83 million. In my city of 3,5 million there were 17 new cases. At what point would you say it's safe to not wear a mask in stores?

As long as there is a very volatile equilibrium, I'd wish we play safe -- because there is absolutely no cost associated with wearing masks.

We've seen that local outbreaks happen, and that local authorities hesitate to take action.

Re: Is It Okay to Go to the Beach?

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Post by ulfw » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 9:06 AM UTC

mcntsh wrote: post #15

uwuwuwu wrote: post #7

Would be ok if everyone was wearing a mask. You go to the bathroom, cough cough, you go to the restaurant, cough cough, and you're driving back home with your friends in the car, cough cough. If we tried to reduce infection during these occasions, there maybe wasn't even a need for much lock-down. Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over.…

> Germany is about to get rid of wearing masks in stores. That's like turning off the firewall because the attack is over. It's preventive, so you need to wear a mask before sth happens. There were 140 new cases in Germany yesterday in a country of 83 million. In my city of 3,5 million there were 17 new cases. At what point would you say it's safe to not wear a mask in stores?

When it's been ZERO for a while. Obviously?

I don't understand this question at all. As long a there's >=1 case and little immunity the virus WILL spread.