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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by dgzl »

realmod wrote: post #848
dgzl wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean calling all conservatives and Republicans racists, Nazis and fascists doesn't make sense?

Gab is a legit nazi/white-supremacist site. You trying to twist it to an attack on republicans/conservatives is laughable, unless you think that they are somehow synonymous.

I'll admit I don't know anything about Gab, but I'm not picking up "nazi/white supremacist site" from their storefront.

https://gab.com/

Regardless, it's embarrassing how careless the political-left, whatever you want to call them, carelessly use the terms nazi, racist, white supremacist, etc.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by lenkite »

ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

The_Donald was censored and taken over by reddit moderators for "threats made against police". It was laughable considering the extraordinarily explicit explicit threats made against the police in other more popular reddit forums. Equal rules were not applied.

If reddit was consistent in their application of rules, it would be nice. But we all know that is not the case. Some are more equal than others.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by lenkite »

ryankemper wrote: post #207
duxup wrote: post #86

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Would something decentralized help? I don't think people want that. The_Donald involved a lot of spreading their message / fake news sites / spamming across other subs and etc. Do people want to be on a platform where other folks on the same platform are targeting their community with dishonest and often bigoted content? I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. The sheer volume of users at its height…

> I'm also not sure how much The_Donald was as a community. It was very clearly a real community, as you can see evidence from the fact that they migrated to thedonald.win when Reddit made it clear that they wouldn't be treated fairly. > So you'd be in your other community and one day they all show up and down votes and the vitriol begins... it was no mystery that this happened, it was spoken of openly in The_Donald…

The reason given was "supporting violence against police". They changed it later to "supporting violence" when they realised that T_D was a teddy bear compared to the left-wing forums who were outright calling for police extermination by all means possible.

Bunch of hypocrites.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by teddyh »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #888
belorn wrote: post #723

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Email is controlled through gmail in the same way as webdesign is controlled by SEO directed towards google search. People need to access the users on the google platform, and google sets the terms for that. That is, if you want your email to work you got to play by the rules dictated by google or a very large portion of all email will go away into a black hole.

If Google will start blocking random non-spammy domains from exchanging mail with Gmail users, it not end well for Google and their mail platform.

I imagine that Google is waiting with bated breath for the day when their user base is large enough that they could get away with this, and are sitting, all day every day, with their finger hovering over the button.

It is our role to make sure that they never get sure enough of themselves that they press that button.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by CogentHedgehog »

dmoy wrote: post #929
opiemonster wrote: post #917

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One of the original ideas was with the up and down arrows, the good content rises to the top. The problem with heavy handed moderators is that they are often biased and many get on a power trip.

For a sufficiently large sub there is no time for power tripping. Only an endless queue of spam and vitirol

This, more or less. Even if someone wanted to powertrip like crazy they literally wouldn't be able to do much. Delete 100 comments? Wait 15 minutes and another 100 will replace them.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by CogentHedgehog »

opiemonster wrote: post #917
CogentHedgehog wrote: post #742

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As moderator of a top-100 subreddit: this is SO incredibly accurate. You must be another moderator of one of the big subreddits. 90% of my work is nuking flamewars, spammers, trolls, and low-effort meme replies. Without automation and human moderators to clean up, it's basically impossible to have a free exchange of ideas or any good discussion. Free speech disappears into the noise. The idea of free speech is great…

One of the original ideas was with the up and down arrows, the good content rises to the top. The problem with heavy handed moderators is that they are often biased and many get on a power trip.

People assume "mod powertripping" too quickly. The reality is that most of the moderation is accomplished via automation, primarily Automoderator rules on Reddit. The volume is far to high to manage by hand -- it varies by community and month but it's around 75%+ automated for us.

Automation makes mistakes. A LOT. Sometimes a person catches them and overrides the bot, often they don't.

There are some communities that abuse the automation to enforce bias, of course. For example, /r/news appears to be auto-censoring things about coronavirus or that might be perceived as negative for Trump (ex: the Russian bounties scandal). But this is much rarer than people think -- with the exception of bans, most of the "mod abuse" is simply bots screwing up.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by eclat »

gtk40 wrote: post #255

/r/gendercritical was also banned, an active and well-moderated radical feminist sub. I am not a radical feminist, nor was I particularly welcomed there as a man, but I found the sub interesting to expand my perspective.

Yeah this is odd. I didn’t spend much time there as it’s not a topic I particularly care about, but from what I saw it was mainly discussion around transgender and women’s rights from a perspective critical of TRAs, which is the standard view in the west from my admittedly limited understanding.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by belltaco »

ww520 wrote: post #561
belltaco wrote: post #490

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That's the default of how it works on Reddit. https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004273892-M... . You made the claim that the admins added mods, what made you think so?

That link doesn't say anything about hiring, and doesn't have any evidence on the top mods paid to "hired" the lower level mods. As for the sleeper mods being added by force, there were definitely warnings about them before, but then the whole sub is wiped out now. Very convenient to get rid of all the evidence.

There were no mods added by force by the admins.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by nexus2045 »

haunter wrote: post #574
blisseyGo wrote: post #525

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on ha…

It means /r/sino won't be banned which is a CPC propaganda sub

r/sino feels more like a circlejerk for mostly Asian Americans that somehow hate their country that has blessed them with all this liberty and freedom... it is so weird to see the posts there express themselves so well, in fluent English (then why haven't you moved to China?). I partially get what they're coming from because I also have been really impressed with the unhindered economic development in China, and without too much concern for politics, I would also find life in China, superficially speaking, a lot more stimulating than typical US suburbia, but I just don't get what drives their love and support for the CCP. For a long time I read r/hongkong and r/sino simultaneously to stay neutral.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by electrotype »

electrotype wrote: post #58

I remember how was Reddit 10 years ago... It was a very open and permissive place. Only very bad things were prohibited at that time (pedophilia, rape, murder, etc.). It is now ran by people/corporations with a political agenda.

Let's see how https://ruqqus.com will do as a Reddit alternative. I give it a chance! The algorithms are open-source so there is no manipulation.
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