‘Collapse of civilisation is the most likely outcome’: top climate scientists
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#2Fellow techies interested in helping solve the climate crisis may be interested in https://climateaction.tech/ :)
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#3Voice of action is a Marxist propoganda website
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#4And there is literally nothing any of us can do about it.
Re: ‘Collapse of civilisation is the most likely outcome’: top climate scientists
#5And there is literally nothing any of us can do about it.
We can try degrowth.
We need to find a way to live well and decrease the GDP. The article talks about the limits of growth for, those who don't know what it is you can watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz9wjJjmkmc
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#6And there is literally nothing any of us can do about it.
We can try degrowth. We need to find a way to live well and decrease the GDP. The article talks about the limits of growth for, those who don't know what it is you can watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz9wjJjmkmc
No, we can't try that I'm afraid.
People won't accept that. People have chosen to doom the planet. The problem here isn't technology or economics. It's people and politics. People don't want to survive, they want cheeseburgers and air-conditioning.
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#7Fellow techies interested in helping solve the climate crisis may be interested in https://climateaction.tech/ :)
I am a tech guy, but I am not very optimistic about finding a technological solution for this. The problem is energy, how much energy do we need to change to move to a greener infrastructure?
There is also the paradox of jevrons [1]. I need to slow down the economy and, at the same time, ensure that everyone lives a decent life. This would be real progress.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can try degrowth. We need to find a way to live well and decrease the GDP. The article talks about the limits of growth for, those who don't know what it is you can watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz9wjJjmkmc
No, we can't try that I'm afraid. People won't accept that. People have chosen to doom the planet. The problem here isn't technology or economics. It's people and politics. People don't want to survive, they want cheeseburgers and air-conditioning.
Maybe you are right, but we need to try something and for me this is what make sense.
For instance did you notice the effect of covid in the environment?
We need to challenge assumptions. The assumption of growth is one of them.
We need to have intrinsical objectives. The goal should not be to save the planet but to act in the best possible way to make it happen.
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#9Voice of action is a Marxist propoganda website
I think it is good style to combine especially strong opinions with especially strong supporting facts, proofs, evidence, or arguments.
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#10Is this "top climate scientists" or the "scientific consensus?"