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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by foobar_ »

oefrha wrote: post #163
foobar_ wrote: post #90

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz ... the china expert > Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist. The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer…

In reply to a flagged sibling: what's there to see in the edit history? There was an edit war (or maybe I should use the plural, didn't look too closely), which is common on controversial topics, and judging from the talk page it has been resolved with a compromise. Bottom line, dude did coauthor that book, and even the title is telling enough. Also, unrelated, it's sad that any comment trying to discuss or question…

It seems the comments about iraq, yemen, afghanistan them have been downvoted / flagged. I guess this one too. There's a documentary on netflix showing the 13th amendment's relation to the labor camps, shocking to say the least.

I don't think there is anything new in the article. It's the standard rhetoric used by UK/US media. Also notice the conspicuous absence of Saudis, they too are involved in messy labor practices. Oddly enough not a single of these pointless articles will mention that its another country in some sense - Turkestan ... because if thats the context of the debate then US will have to give up puerto rico, california and indian territories and UK ireland and France guiana and so on .... Here's the irony of the whole situation, from their standpoint the chinese too are liberating the places from feudalism and they have made some progress in the regions as opposed to the reckless military interventions of other nations.

The fact of the matter is literally none of the allied powers cared for the genocides in WWII, they even welcomed it. The POWs were also completely ignored post war which is one of the unspoken tragedies. In democratically elected nations it seems the only way to go to war is to paint the other side as a dictator go to war with it. The lies are just tiring at this point.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by ebalit »

ta17711771 wrote: post #182
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original comment said this was true of "almost all human beings", the vast majority of whom are neither elites nor high-level government officials.

Right, but....if we "all" didn't value these things, how did these people gain their power and status over us?

By seeking it in the first place. Another word for power is responsibilities. And many people don't want those.

I think it is a bit different with status without power. It seems to me that this type is a more "popular" goal now.

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Post by gabaix »

As of right now, the post is 3-hour old, has 391 votes, second only to another post in the top 60 posts, and yet is is ranked... #59.

HN mods have likely flagged it as flamewar, or non relevant, or both, effectively contributing to the soft censorship on the topic.

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Post by dang »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #147
foobar_ wrote: post #90

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz ... the china expert > Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist. The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer…

Look at the edit history for that article. It’s not useful as a reference for this discussion. I mean, frankly, much of this discussion is probably not authentic either. These topics always attract people who will bend over backwards to defend genocide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by saeranv »

saeranv wrote: post #111
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

I had a professor (a historian who studied Auschwitz) who used to argue the opposite. Germany was a modern, industrialized nation, with an educated population - and yet the majority of the population either actively committed genocide, or were complicit in some fashion. My professor thus argued that the conditions for the Holocaust are not unique, and there could easily be another one.

Really curious why I'm getting downvoted.

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Post by [deleted] »

danenania wrote: post #162
hkai wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, John Bolton in his new book alleges that Trump told Xi to keep locking up Uyghurs. > “According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do,” Mr. Bolton wrote. On the other hand, he also signed the Uyghur Human Rights Act.

Though it's for different reasons, Trump is putting large numbers of people in camps himself, and we've seen plenty of evidence of systematic abuse, neglect, and dehumanization. It isn't surprising that he would be sympathetic to another leader who uses similar tactics (even if his advisors make him condemn it to keep up appearances). There's little reason to think he'd do anything different in Xi's position. Edit: F…

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

gabaix wrote: post #205

As of right now, the post is 3-hour old, has 391 votes, second only to another post in the top 60 posts, and yet is is ranked... #59. HN mods have likely flagged it as flamewar, or non relevant, or both, effectively contributing to the soft censorship on the topic. Content platforms have many challenges ahead of them.

Only users can flag posts, mods can only unflag

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Post by kinjba11 »

danenania wrote: post #153
zadler wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology This would imply that the measure of progression / advancement is civility, and that we are going to progress and become more civil given more time. That seems to be a fallacy also, it may be that evolution does not optimise for civility at all, after all being civil is not going to help you to crush your enemies or attract a mate in this environment.

My understanding is that evolution optimizes for learning and adapting to the environment. We aren't 'programmed' to be either civil or violent, but to respond in the most advantageous way to the circumstances we find ourselves in. In a society full of dishonest people who are prone to violence, a person who tries to be honest, kind, and peaceful is at a huge disadvantage. But in a society where people are mostly hon…

This reminds me of Evolution of Trust (https://ncase.me/trust/). A little way through the game you can see this play out over time. It's a great demonstration of how the winning strategy changes (or evolves) over time with different pressures.
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