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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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You think Trump or his base is concerned about genocide of Muslims? That’s giving them an awful lot of credit.

I definitely do. At least Trump and his supporters have the had guts to stand up to China. Nobody else seems to be doing this.

Obvious counter example would be Yemen, where he’s been fully behind Saudi Arabia continuing their genocide of a Muslim population.

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The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.

China desperately needs more babies. China desperately needs more female babies to be precise. The one-child policy coupled with certain cultural quirks resulted in 50-60M "excess" men, who will never find a partner, and unhealthy competition for the rest.

Population decline is more of economic reasons.

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Gunships + British Raj. Would have lasted longer too if the UK didn't start the road to bankruptcy by entering WW1.

Britain joined to stop Wilhelm making a blue water navy that could rival the royal navy. I don't think it's a given British hegemony would have lasted as long without joining ww1.

Germany's navy was never going to be more than Wilhelm's pet project because Germany's main threats were land based France and Russia. Britain joined because of honor over protecting Belgian neutrality, which shocked Germany diplomats who thought Britain would never fight over something with so little material gain for it.

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Just for a moment reflect on this fact: for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power. By the time one realizes the worthlessness of these goals, it's time for him to leave. But as long as these remain the primary goals of our lives, we can't truly be compassionate toward the needs/plight of others and at every opportune moment, we'll tr…

"for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power." This is a really broad and very specific statement. Genuinely curious what you base this on.

The actions of literally almost every group of elites and high-level government officials in the last 100 years?

Are you not exposed to this behavior/news somehow?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz ... the china expert > Zenz co-authored the book Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation which links modern trends, including gender equality, homosexuality and bans on corporal punishment, to the power of the Antichrist. The more I look at it, history is one ethnic group against the other. The winners do what they want, the weak suffer…

Of course the US will use questionable sources when it comes to slandering China or any other countries it deems a threat...

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Are we? A survery in The Lancet estimated that the Iraq invasion caused an excess of 650k deaths by October 2006. A simple extrapolation would surely put the excess deaths in the middle east into millions. It's different though. We're the good guys.

I’m not saying the Iraq war should have happened, but war as a concept has been around since civilization started. What’s described here isn’t the same thing... there was no formal declaration or ability for them to fight back, and it’s happening largely in secret with denial to erase an entire culture from the earth.

> war as a concept has been around since civilization started

So has genocide...

> there was no formal declaration or ability for them to fight back

The last formally declared war by the US was WWII, and the second Iraq war was absurdly asymmetrical, they effectively had no "ability for them to fight back", we murdered countless civilians. And go ahead and try to find actual numbers regarding those deaths. There are wide discrepancies between US official numbers, US approved media numbers and numbers from other watch groups. If you think our use of force in the middle east is anything like 'officially declared war between nations' you need to spend more time researching.

That's just Iraq, there's a plenty of campaigns right now all through out the middle east. And let's not forget the massive funding of Israel and their perpetual work to drive the Palestinians from their homes. Read up on that and tell me that's not genocide. But if you critique that publicly you'll face immense political backlash.

And don't get me started on the way our governments still actively work to destabilize first nations communities and cultures in the US. We unquestionably committed genocide against native populations in our history as a country but you're naive if you think we still aren't working to actively destroy what culture remains (Canada is equally if not no more so guilty of this).

> and it’s happening largely in secret

The US and China have very different forms of propaganda, but the fact that you think that the US is largely innocent of crimes like these should give anyone reading a sense of how powerful US propaganda and media control really is.

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#108

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Britain joined to stop Wilhelm making a blue water navy that could rival the royal navy. I don't think it's a given British hegemony would have lasted as long without joining ww1.

Germany's navy was never going to be more than Wilhelm's pet project because Germany's main threats were land based France and Russia. Britain joined because of honor over protecting Belgian neutrality, which shocked Germany diplomats who thought Britain would never fight over something with so little material gain for it.

Without Britain I don't think Germany would be required to transfer resources from ship building to the land campaign. As far as I'm aware Wilhelm was very serious about developing a navy and they were fairly close to parity with the RN in some aspects even in ww1.

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A lot of international politics/treaties enforcement boils down to - are you willing to bleed and die for that cause. Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions.

Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions There is one recent-ish historical exception: the SA Apartheid regime was brought down by the West without any land invasion. But invasion is no guarantee either; the Indian caste system, which makes apartheid look li…

Sure but that was in a country where the ruling class was a small minority; perhaps the internal pressure was much more significant. In China the ruling class is a supermassive majority compared to the relatively tiny number of Uyghur’s.

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I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention From the Wiki article, the UN definition of Genocide is met if... ...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life c…

Which part of this is a low bar, exactly? Like, I don't see any country doing any of that to a well-defined group by accident.
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