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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by 0x8BADF00D »

okasaki wrote: post #41
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Are we? A survery in The Lancet estimated that the Iraq invasion caused an excess of 650k deaths by October 2006. A simple extrapolation would surely put the excess deaths in the middle east into millions. It's different though. We're the good guys.

All the Muslim majority nations are silent on this matter. It shows how hypocritical they are.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by balola »

oefrha wrote: post #42
balola wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.

> loosened the limit to 2 kids per family Still a limit, and a low one at that, so doesn’t sound “desperate” at all. TFA says “I uncovered evidence that the Uighurs are subject to internment in camps if they violate birth control policies, have too many children.” Presumably too many is greater than 2, but who knows.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/250650/number-of-births-...

The trend is clear, the limit was loosened late 2015, and it's not working coz people don't want/can't afford 2 kids.

China didn't care minorities having 10 kids before, why bother now?

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Post by hkai »

baskire wrote: post #30
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Surprised trump doesn’t use this to place sanctions on China and up his base’s support.

Well, John Bolton in his new book alleges that Trump told Xi to keep locking up Uyghurs.

> “According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do,” Mr. Bolton wrote.

On the other hand, he also signed the Uyghur Human Rights Act.

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Post by Johnjonjoan »

sneak wrote: post #21
chapium wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets talk about china right now.

I don’t have any direct political ability to meaningfully influence policy in China. I, in theory, can participate in US elections and purportedly have some say in how things are done in the US. Additionally, I don’t have a language barrier to inciting others to action in the US. I think it’s a very hypocritical situation, and I wonder specifically about the who and the why for the huge anti-China campaign in the glo…

I'm sorry but the Uyghur birth rate in Xingjiang has dropped 83% year on year. The Uyghur people are being exterminated and you're more interested in a conspiracy about who is behind us caring about it.

FYI you don't have a direct political ability to meaningfully influence policy on China but you are directly supporting the CCP by buying blood-goods.

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Post by iamstupidsimple »

Analemma_ wrote: post #36
baskire wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprised trump doesn’t use this to place sanctions on China and up his base’s support.

You think Trump or his base is concerned about genocide of Muslims? That’s giving them an awful lot of credit.

I definitely do. At least Trump and his supporters have the had guts to stand up to China. Nobody else seems to be doing this.

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Post by zadler »

ironman1478 wrote: post #47
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

As I've gotten older, I've come to really feel like humans just haven't been around that long and we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology. WW2 wasn't really that long ago and neither was the the American civil war, both wars based on race and atrocities. I think it's a bit of a fallacy to think that just because some country is technology and economically advanced it will have correct moral value…

> we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology

This would imply that the measure of progression / advancement is civility, and that we are going to progress and become more civil given more time. That seems to be a fallacy also, it may be that evolution does not optimise for civility at all, after all being civil is not going to help you to crush your enemies or attract a mate in this environment.

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Post by azinman2 »

okasaki wrote: post #41
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Are we? A survery in The Lancet estimated that the Iraq invasion caused an excess of 650k deaths by October 2006. A simple extrapolation would surely put the excess deaths in the middle east into millions. It's different though. We're the good guys.

I’m not saying the Iraq war should have happened, but war as a concept has been around since civilization started. What’s described here isn’t the same thing... there was no formal declaration or ability for them to fight back, and it’s happening largely in secret with denial to erase an entire culture from the earth.

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Post by Aperocky »

yorwba wrote: post #46
Aperocky wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a bonus, the mandatory birth controls were recently expanded to ethnic minorities as they were previously exempt.

It's the other way around: rural ethnic minorities were previously allowed three children. This limit hasn't changed, but Han Chinese in rural areas are now allowed to have the same number of children.

Sounds like a genocide. /s
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